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Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

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Re: Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

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post #7

Interesting view. Near the end, it says: “The crux of today's cosmological paradigm is that in order to maintain a mathematically unified theory valid for the entire universe, we must accept that 95 percent of our cosmos is furnished by completely unknown elements and forces for which we have no empirical evidence whatsoever.” Empiricism is based on sense observations. And a lot of science has been confined to human…

One way to think of scientific instruments: like telescopes, microscopes, voltmeters is that they are extensions of our senses.

I agree, thanks for the note.

Re: Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

#22
post #11

Ethan Siegel write up on this problem: https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/06/22/why-...

But also about other claims from the Ekeberg's article (who, as I see, is a "a philosopher of science"):

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2018/07/26/ther...

"There's A Debate Raging Over Whether Dark Matter Is Real, But One Side Is Cheating"

Careful reader of Ekeberg's article can both recognize that the article claims are inspired by the claims of the "cheating" side but also that where he writes his own he completely fails on physics. I.e. if one side is cheating, he'd be a third side, the one that's completely unscientific: even the physicists that develop theories that compete with dark matter would not write what Ekeberg wrote: "Another recent probe found galaxies inconsistent with the theory of dark matter, which posits this hypothetical substance to be everywhere. But according to the latest measurements, it is not, suggesting the theory needs to be reexamined." It's plain nonsense. The reason:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2019/01/16/myst...

"Ironically, the discovery of a galaxy without dark matter — amidst a sea of galaxies that require huge amounts of it — helps prove the validity of the dark matter-rich picture of the Universe. Only if normal matter can be separated out from the dark matter and left to form its own structures would such a galaxy be possible."

We even have the pictures where the galaxies and dark matter aren't at the same place, totally the opposite of Ekeberg's "everywhere" strawman claim, and exactly that opposite was always treated as the biggest support for dark matter:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/11/09/the-...

Once I've reached that strawman claim, I've checked what the profession of Ekeberg is. I openly admit his uncritical bias just confirmed my own bias about that profession.

Re: Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

#23
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What aren’t we using from the animal kingdom? We create sensors that are extra human. Infrared etc... Maybe this is an unknown unknown problem. We can’t develop technology for senses we do not know about and so on.

Indeed, I agree with your point, “Maybe this is an unknown unknown problem.” I’m not sure why my comment is being downvoted, is there something I said that’s in bad taste?

I think you’re fine. Sorry you’re getting downvoted.

Re: Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

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I'm a grad student working on cosmology, and while I agree there is a lot of work still to do (we don't know what 95% of the matter that makes up the universe is!), I disagree with a lot of what the author says. > Another recent probe found galaxies inconsistent with the theory of dark matter, which posits this hypothetical substance to be everywhere. We have found evidence of a few galaxies without DM. But most gala…

> > Today's space telescopes provide no direct view of anything

> I have no idea what that means. They literally observe the sky...

Seriously! At this point they're just spitballing.

Re: Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

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It is of course entirely plausible that the validity of general relativity breaks down much closer to our own home than at the edge of the hypothetical end of the universe. Is it really? Have people formulated specific break downs, then gone to look for evidence?

Well... assuming that the local rules are the same as the rules billions of light-years away is an assumption, based on a philosophical presupposition that the rules are uniform. What probability should we assign to that assumption? 100% in the absence of evidence to the contrary? Or should we reserve some skepticism, remembering that it is an assumption? Your question is reasonable: Have people formulated specific b…

"Have people formulated specific breakdowns, and goon looking?"

They have. Considerable effort has been expended trying to detect changes in various constants related to light, including speed but also some other things. It is expected that if constants were changing, spectra would change as well. So far as I know, all those results have been negative, but it's not for lack of trying. Similar arguments can be deployed for the nuclear forces as well w.r.t. spectrum, rates of fusion, various things you'd be able to observe in certain types of supernovae, etc.

One of the things I don't like about this genre of articles is that it's typically quite mistaken, if not outright disingenuous, about the current state of cosmology. From what I could see, the idea that cosmologists are all stodgy old fogies brought up in a paradigm of the Big Bang and who won't entertain any other thoughts is diametrically opposed to the truth. To my eyes, the field is a bubbling cauldron of various exotic ideas and attempts to resolve all these issues. There's no lack of theories in cosmology and attempts to resolve these issues, including many quite radical ones (the holographic principle, changing constants over time, heck even "Dark Energy" is quite radical in many ways even if it is also the accepted theory at the moment).

What we lack are theories that explain all the observations. Dark matter is favored not because it's the only idea that anyone has come up with, but because it's still the one that best fits the facts. (As PBS Space Time pointed out last week, ironically, the galaxies recently discovered to not contain dark matter are themselves quite strong evidence dark matter must exist: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t0jaE--l0Y , because almost all other theories to explain galactic rotations are based on characteristics that can not vary by galaxy like matter distributions can. "MOND", for instance, is not "MOND, except in these two galaxies".)

If you can solve all these problems, as near as I can tell, you'll be celebrated, not shut down by the old fogerati. But be prepared for your theory to need to cover a lot of existing observations; we're centuries past "Well, what if gravity just worked differently?" or "What if the constants aren't constant?" You're going to need a great deal more detail than that.

Re: Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

#26
post #7

Interesting view. Near the end, it says: “The crux of today's cosmological paradigm is that in order to maintain a mathematically unified theory valid for the entire universe, we must accept that 95 percent of our cosmos is furnished by completely unknown elements and forces for which we have no empirical evidence whatsoever.” Empiricism is based on sense observations. And a lot of science has been confined to human…

When it comes to cosmology, our observations have been using light, because that's what has traveled in space. It is pretty obviously not that useful to ask a dog to sniff the sky or a homing pidgeon to navigate to Alpha Centauri, or something. We've obviously long since passed using only the visible spectrum.

We also recently added gravitational wave detection to our repertoire. I seriously doubt any animals out there are detecting gravitational waves.

I'm not sure how a science based on observing every wavelength of light we can get our hands on, the vast majority of which no animal on Earth can detect or use, and also gravitational waves, is "confined to human senses".

Re: Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

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I'm a grad student working on cosmology, and while I agree there is a lot of work still to do (we don't know what 95% of the matter that makes up the universe is!), I disagree with a lot of what the author says. > Another recent probe found galaxies inconsistent with the theory of dark matter, which posits this hypothetical substance to be everywhere. We have found evidence of a few galaxies without DM. But most gala…

For some reason edits are silently failing, but an addendum to

> Big bang was only the accepted paradigm from the 60s (post CMB observations). We have had DE since Einstein in 1917 and DM since Zwicky in the 30s.

Admittedly the DE from Einstein is for very different reasons than the DE today, but we again had the big bang and no DE from the 60s until the 90s (observations from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supernova_Cosmology_Project) so they don't go hand in hand.

Re: Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

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post #26
post #7

Interesting view. Near the end, it says: “The crux of today's cosmological paradigm is that in order to maintain a mathematically unified theory valid for the entire universe, we must accept that 95 percent of our cosmos is furnished by completely unknown elements and forces for which we have no empirical evidence whatsoever.” Empiricism is based on sense observations. And a lot of science has been confined to human…

When it comes to cosmology, our observations have been using light, because that's what has traveled in space. It is pretty obviously not that useful to ask a dog to sniff the sky or a homing pidgeon to navigate to Alpha Centauri, or something. We've obviously long since passed using only the visible spectrum. We also recently added gravitational wave detection to our repertoire. I seriously doubt any animals out the…

Makes sense, and agree with the last point, “I'm not sure how a science based on observing every wavelength of light we can get our hands on, the vast majority of which no animal on Earth can detect or use, and also gravitational waves, is "confined to human senses"”. Thanks for the explanation.

Re: Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

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I'm a grad student working on cosmology, and while I agree there is a lot of work still to do (we don't know what 95% of the matter that makes up the universe is!), I disagree with a lot of what the author says. > Another recent probe found galaxies inconsistent with the theory of dark matter, which posits this hypothetical substance to be everywhere. We have found evidence of a few galaxies without DM. But most gala…

> > Today's space telescopes provide no direct view of anything

> I have no idea what that means. They literally observe the sky...

They mean you can’t look into the telescope and see the object, eg like going into my backyard and observing Mars or Venus, that you need to do elaborate post processing to resolve the target object from other collected signals and shift it into a visible form.

This is contrasted with early astronomy, where you could literally just look at objects.

I don’t know that this is a deeply significant point, but it’s at least understandable: if it’s not something you can look at, then you might be assuming your theory to interpret the evidence which supports your theory — that you’ve just begged the question.

I think the comment speaks to the breakdown in science education, but it’s a valid observation about failures in complex human endeavors.

Re: Cosmology Has Some Big Problems

#30
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Couldn't it just as easily mean that our predictions based on general relativity are wrong? Either 1) the prediction for a particular galaxy is right, and there's no "dark energy" or "dark matter" or 2) the prediction is wrong, and you add a bunch of dark energy or dark matter to make the equations work out. It's not testable at all - no matter whether predictions for a particular galaxy are right or wrong, you're st…

It's not that simple. It's not like a) Some galaxies fit predictions, b) Some do not, and we add unknown dark matter. It's that when they do not fit predictions, there is a single parameter (the mass of dark matter) that does explain its behavior, whose model is that of a weakly interacting gas halo. So dark matter tries to fix things in a very precise way, it's not an arbitrary curve fitting exercise. Now whether th…

> Now whether there is really weakly interacting matter out there

Not "out there". It's supposed to be >80% of the matter of the universe. We supposedly are eating some every day.

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