Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors • Hacker News Board

Re: Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors

#271

Post by ok-repl » Wed, May 01, 2019, 7:07 AM UTC

throwaway6497 wrote: post #249

basetop wrote: post #160

Eric Schmidt was the anti-privacy leader who dismissed privacy concerns. "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/google-ceo-eric-schmid... Keep in mind this is the same guy who blackballed CNET reporters for finding personal information on him through google search. https://money.cnn.com/2005/08/05/technology…

I will always remember him as the guy who would willingly collude with other mentees of Bill Campbell to not hire engineers from each others companies. Willingly trying to keep the salaries of engineers low is pure evil. They even tried to rope-in Zuckerberg into this gentleman's agreement. Zuck asked them to buzz off. When Eric is involved in shady practices like these, how do all other leaders on twitterverse who a…

Those poor underpaid Googlers

Re: Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors

#272

Post by nothrabannosir » Wed, May 01, 2019, 7:15 AM UTC

jeffdavis wrote: post #172

basetop wrote: post #160

Eric Schmidt was the anti-privacy leader who dismissed privacy concerns. "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/google-ceo-eric-schmid... Keep in mind this is the same guy who blackballed CNET reporters for finding personal information on him through google search. https://money.cnn.com/2005/08/05/technology…

Privacy is usually not about things you don't want anyone to know. It's about things you don't want everyone to know.

Privacy is also about solidarity with those who do have something to hide. We want to create a society with herd immunity for dissidents, free thinkers, and even the less controversial yet somehow still controversial; fetishists, (closet) non-traditional-sexuals, or simply those who engage in behaviour that we have only learned to condone, not yet accept.

Even if you are not any of those, it is our duty to provide a thicket where the free canaries can hide from the harsh environment. When they die, we best pay close attention.

Saying “I don’t care about privacy because I have nothing to hide” is uniquely selfish, on the level of “I don’t care about gay marriage because I’m not gay.”

Re: Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors

#273

Post by Beldin » Wed, May 01, 2019, 7:18 AM UTC

lapnitnelav wrote: post #237

paganel wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think Page had the right idea, because if you look nowadays at people under 30 for them the Internet is represented by social networks, be it Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp or even Snapchat, the internet/web represented by the browser and by visiting different websites via Google is no longer that important. I think Page realized that if Google doesn't hop on the social train they'll end up looking from the outside…

I for one would like to thank Larry for messing this up. While current situation is far from perfect (looking at you Mark Z), I don't think having the Borg being the top dog on both Search and Social would have been a great thing at all.

You mean: "the top dog in search, online videos, web analytics, web ads, and social".

It could have been a bit worse. It could have been a lot better as well: google already has one of its fingers on about half the pages of the Internet.

Re: Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors

#274

Post by acct1771 » Wed, May 01, 2019, 7:19 AM UTC

lallysingh wrote: post #187

rusk wrote: post #123

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Those eyeballs weren't worth as much to intelligence agencies

Where on the 10-Q is revenue from intelligence agencies? I seemed to have missed that line.

https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/how-the-cia-made-goo...

https://wikileaks.org/google-is-not-what-it-seems/

Re: Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors

#275

Post by iainmerrick » Wed, May 01, 2019, 7:21 AM UTC

pishpash wrote: post #184

derefr wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

More specifically, privacy is about things that you want to isolate to one sub-self and its corresponding social circle. Everyone leads a “double life” (or N lives) to some degree, and privacy is the societal etiquette allowing for the continued separation of those lives (without having to go to the effort of using real OPSEC to isolate them.)

Admittedly, Google+ tried with circles but sounds like a bandaid to a problem that didn't exist in the first place until Facebook along with myopic social do-gooders forced everyone to use real names online.

Google+ wanted real names too.

Re: Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors

#276

Post by sara17361 » Wed, May 01, 2019, 7:25 AM UTC

World's biggest cat Even you can't believe it's size See her video https://howto105.blogspot.com/2019/04/worlds-biggest-cat.htm...

See the video a dog shopping and lots of other acts like humans http://bit.ly/2DCpo9I

Even you can't believe there is a hen in world's biggest animals See the video how they looks and what they do https://cutt.ly/1rOU7Q

Fish walking with legs like humans See the video on link below http://bit.ly/2XRGyYD

This couple is different Girls are both twins and boys are also twin brothers see how they look in video http://bit.ly/2VwoZQd

A cute dog is dancing in video Just watch this video and try to control your laugh http://bit.ly/2ZK1XVs

Re: Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors

#277

Post by teawrecks » Wed, May 01, 2019, 7:28 AM UTC

fdchn2019 wrote: post #227

jeffdavis wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Privacy is usually not about things you don't want anyone to know. It's about things you don't want everyone to know.

In Maths anyone and everyone are the same. When you start a proof you say - Let x a member of set Z be arbitrary

∀≠∃

Re: Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors

#278

Post by IshKebab » Wed, May 01, 2019, 7:31 AM UTC

z92 wrote: post #127

philsnow wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "trouble" with Orkut was the large majority of those users were outside the United States. Brazil and later India made up the majority. Those eyeballs weren't worth as much to advertisers, and I don't think Google valued the product highly because of it.

That was because you couldn't "sign up" for Orkut. You had to receive an invitation from someone who already has an account. Therefore it spread in regions where people knew one another, instead of spreading smoothly. The reason why they kept it like that was because of the processing power that was needed to serve the pages. That was more than search. Every individual had to be served a different page. And computing…

No way does a social network require more compute than searching the entire internet. That is ridiculous.

They cut Orkut because Brazilians aren't worth much in advertising. Plain and simple.

Re: Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors

#279

Post by Teever » Wed, May 01, 2019, 7:38 AM UTC

ok-repl wrote: post #271

throwaway6497 wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will always remember him as the guy who would willingly collude with other mentees of Bill Campbell to not hire engineers from each others companies. Willingly trying to keep the salaries of engineers low is pure evil. They even tried to rope-in Zuckerberg into this gentleman's agreement. Zuck asked them to buzz off. When Eric is involved in shady practices like these, how do all other leaders on twitterverse who a…

Those poor underpaid Googlers

Collusion like that puts a downward pressure on the wages of all workers.

It also normalizes that behavior and makes it more likely that other employers will take similar steps.

Re: Eric Schmidt Steps Down from Alphabet’s Board of Directors

#280

Post by freyr » Wed, May 01, 2019, 7:41 AM UTC

icelancer wrote: post #215

basetop wrote: post #160

Eric Schmidt was the anti-privacy leader who dismissed privacy concerns. "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place." https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2009/12/google-ceo-eric-schmid... Keep in mind this is the same guy who blackballed CNET reporters for finding personal information on him through google search. https://money.cnn.com/2005/08/05/technology…

Conveniently you (and everyone else who quotes that line) left out the following part. "But if you really need that kind of privacy, the reality is that search engines, including Google, do retain this information for some time. And [...] we’re all subject, in the US, to the Patriot Act, and it is possible that that information could be made available to the authorities." His whole point is to NOT use their services…

He’s explaining the reality of the situation.

But he’s also disregarding the fact that things people have done, historically, things that have been persecuted, but may only be “wrong” according to shifting cultural temperaments (e.g., loving somebody outside your race).

It’s pretty tone-deaf, in that sense.