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Emperor Akihito: Japanese monarch declares historic abdication

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Re: Emperor Akihito: Japanese monarch declares historic abdication

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Truly the end of an era. Akihito became emperor in 1989. At that time it seemed humanity was finally ready to put great power conflicts in the past. Akihito represented a generation that had experienced the horrors of WWII as children and saw the need to make sure that never happened again. Now as Akihito abdicates, the whispers of great power conflicts are starting again. Old alliances and coalitions that have kept…

Peaceful for Japan or the world at large?

I think they are tied together. China and the US are the two biggest world powers. Any conflict between them would draw Japan in. Japan also has rivalries with China and North Korea. Any conflict between Japan and one or more of those would draw the US in.

If the there is a conflict in the eastern Pacific, Australia would like join in as well. It is also highly likely that the UK, Netherlands, Denmark, Poland will likely join as well and possibly Germany and France.

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How am I going to get to be a senior-level monarch if I can't get some experience?

Fake it till you make it obviously.

A successful example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emperor_Norton

Re: Emperor Akihito: Japanese monarch declares historic abdication

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One of the particular difficulties of the Japanese royal family is you have the ultra-nationalists who never really got over Japan's loss in WW2 and the resulting changes to the Japanese royal nature, but the royalty has. You end up with a situation where the emperor indicates that he wants the nature of the royal family to change slightly, but the biggest supporters of royalty don't want to listen to him. This is ra…

Well, Abe and LDP are generally all the way in on Nippon Kaigi and they supported his abdication. The first news I heard of it was Abe’s appeal to the nation to allow the Emperor to step down.

They had no choice but to support it. The emperor is incredibly popular in Japan. In fact, the abdication threw a spanner in the works for Abe and the LDP wrt the constitutional changes hey wanted for allowing Japan to get involved in external conflicts if its allies are involved.

For some history, this is the second time Abe has been prime minister. The first time he had to resign. This was directly after proposing the constitutional change. Now, Wikipedia (and the western media it seems) reported that Abe resigned due to the poor performance of his economic policies. However, at the time my impression was that he resigned over the backlash to the constitutional proposals. At the time my Japanese wasn't very good, so I could definitely have gotten it wrong, but that was certainly what I understood.

Fast forward to a few years ago. Abe got back into power, instituted his Abenomics and then re-proposed the constitutional changes. It seemed like it was inevitable because they had enough time to push through the changes and write the constitutional law before the next general election. And then out of the blue the emperor announced, "I want to retire. Please implement the constitutional changes that would allow me to do so". These changes, perhaps not incidentally, meant that Abe could not draft his changes until after the next general election.

It has been suggested (by the NHK no less -- unfortunately you'll have to take my word for it, but that's where I heard of the notion) that this was an intentional move by the emperor. Who knows... However it is true that he has been suffering from poor health and has not been able to perform all of his duties.

Anyway, the general election was held and Abe and the LDP survived, so presumably they will go ahead with their plans. However, the latest I've seen is that there is still considerable opposition in the populace (with over 50% of the population opposing any changes to the constitution). The last I heard Abe has said that he might not go forward with it.

They are under increasing pressure from the US, though. Also, Japan has wanted the US out of Okinawa for a long time, with the US always promising that they will leave as soon as their base in Guam is complete (which never seems to happen). I don't think the US will ever leave Okinawa without Japan being able to take military action the in the sea of Japan because otherwise China will pretty much have free reign there. At the moment, all Japan can do is show up with the coast guard and say "Please leave. Pretty please".

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Peaceful for Japan or the world at large?

I think they are tied together. China and the US are the two biggest world powers. Any conflict between them would draw Japan in. Japan also has rivalries with China and North Korea. Any conflict between Japan and one or more of those would draw the US in. If the there is a conflict in the eastern Pacific, Australia would like join in as well. It is also highly likely that the UK, Netherlands, Denmark, Poland will li…

I mean if you're considering his reign a "peaceful time" you're missing all the things that have happened in Africa, the Middle Ease, or Latin America. I think we just have different definitions of "peace" here. Sure, nobody is dropping nukes or waging a world war, but there's still been constant conflicts somewhere.

Re: Emperor Akihito: Japanese monarch declares historic abdication

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Truly the end of an era. Akihito became emperor in 1989. At that time it seemed humanity was finally ready to put great power conflicts in the past. Akihito represented a generation that had experienced the horrors of WWII as children and saw the need to make sure that never happened again. Now as Akihito abdicates, the whispers of great power conflicts are starting again. Old alliances and coalitions that have kept…

What's really interesting is the selected motto for the new era. On the surface it appears to resemble "continued peace" but careful readers of Japanese understand it had a complete different meaning. It more closely means "ordered" "compliance", as in an order is given and your compliance will keep the peace. Strange times.

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Truly the end of an era. Akihito became emperor in 1989. At that time it seemed humanity was finally ready to put great power conflicts in the past. Akihito represented a generation that had experienced the horrors of WWII as children and saw the need to make sure that never happened again. Now as Akihito abdicates, the whispers of great power conflicts are starting again. Old alliances and coalitions that have kept…

I think Fukuyama's "End of History..." died a while ago. Actually, it probably never existed and was simply idealized wishful thinking. As they say, there can be no peace without war. What's strange is that we know peace eventually ends. But I also can't see how we can have a war amongst nuclear powers. Could we have a peaceful war? Is it possible? Is that what the cold war was? With the creation of the EU, rising ch…

> I also can't see how we can have a war amongst nuclear powers. Could we have a peaceful war? Is it possible? Is that what the cold war was?

I'd say the answer is "Look at Syria", proxy wars etc are the current best method for engaging without actually having to fight directly (which just ends super badly as it almost inevitably escalates)

Re: Emperor Akihito: Japanese monarch declares historic abdication

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Well, Abe and LDP are generally all the way in on Nippon Kaigi and they supported his abdication. The first news I heard of it was Abe’s appeal to the nation to allow the Emperor to step down.

They had no choice but to support it. The emperor is incredibly popular in Japan. In fact, the abdication threw a spanner in the works for Abe and the LDP wrt the constitutional changes hey wanted for allowing Japan to get involved in external conflicts if its allies are involved. For some history, this is the second time Abe has been prime minister. The first time he had to resign. This was directly after proposing…

My maybe-controversial view is that peace and the removal of the US protection racket are consistent aims, and the constitutional changes are not necessarily a precursor to Japanese aggression. Still, regular people in Japan seem to be mostly completely checked out of their own politics, so this is a game played among professional politicians and some business leaders.

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Probably Louis XIV, who was infamous for his role in the centralization of power in France. It's he to whom the statement "L'etat, c'est moi" is attributed. Side note for all the "Louis" of France: Louis XIV was succeeded by his great-grandson Louis XV, having outlived both his son Louis and his grandson Louis. It seems Henry IV's descendants had a penchant for naming everybody in line to the throne as Louis.

That's his shining example? The believer in "divine right", who led France into a bunch of wars for his own glory and thereby got a bunch of his people killed? That's his example of a leader following "absolute truth"? Sheesh. For his own sake, I sure hope he was trolling.

Saint Louis IX, King of France

Re: Emperor Akihito: Japanese monarch declares historic abdication

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That's his shining example? The believer in "divine right", who led France into a bunch of wars for his own glory and thereby got a bunch of his people killed? That's his example of a leader following "absolute truth"? Sheesh. For his own sake, I sure hope he was trolling.

Saint Louis IX, King of France

... who ordered the burning of Jewish religious books, and expanded the scope of the Inquisition within France.

But even if you accept Louis IX as the perfect ruler, what do you do once he dies? What do you do when you get Louis XIV?

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