I think it will most likely be more expensive than any of their meat products. A lot of companies have used the plant-based wave to make their products seem exclusive when in reality it's more sustainable and cheaper to produce.
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#352This is nice for all the reasons mentioned but honestly I'm probably not going to ever eat it until it makes its way onto the value menu. I don't go to fast food to get a $5 burger, I go there to get a $1.55 burger. I can't be the only one.
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#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
Emphasis on “during your entire life”. Yes in the wild, cattle would be naturally inclined to bear offspring annually, but may not always. Also, would eventually stop and live on to help care for the calves of younger individuals in the flock. Wild cattle were likely also older when they first calves as domesticated cattle are both bred to calve earlier and also forced too. Basically inseminated as early as physiolog…
>Emphasis on “during your entire life”. Yes in the wild, cattle would be naturally inclined to bear offspring annually, but may not always. Also, would eventually stop and live on to help care for the calves of younger individuals in the flock. Please link me to facts >Wild cattle were likely also older when they first calves as domesticated cattle are both bred to calve earlier and also forced too. Basically insemin…
Not sure what qualifies fact, as there are not a lot of wild bovine species left in world.
As for choosing not to mate, I think there are studies showing that animals in captivity regularly refuse to mate. After all, in the wild there’s competition.
It’s also possible and not uncommon to alter feeding regimes to stimulate heifers to reach puberty faster than that which would happen in the wild.
The comment was meant to touch upon the question of whether dairy cattle live happy lifes. It’s hard to argue that they do, although it’s also hard to prove that they don’t. From an ethical humanitarian point of view which I think is totally appropriate when deciding what to eat, one can easily empathize with these animals by simple observation and a sprinkle of common sense. Whatever the facts are, dictated by whatever authority, may or may not make a huge difference.
I don’t think it matters so long as animals are impregnated forcefully by humans through artificial insemination while in captivity, there’s so little resemblance to the wild that any comparison is quite pointless.
Edit: I have education in agriculture and have both visited and worked at several dairy farms.
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#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
>Emphasis on “during your entire life”. Yes in the wild, cattle would be naturally inclined to bear offspring annually, but may not always. Also, would eventually stop and live on to help care for the calves of younger individuals in the flock. Please link me to facts >Wild cattle were likely also older when they first calves as domesticated cattle are both bred to calve earlier and also forced too. Basically insemin…
Not sure what qualifies fact, as there are not a lot of wild bovine species left in world. As for choosing not to mate, I think there are studies showing that animals in captivity regularly refuse to mate. After all, in the wild there’s competition. It’s also possible and not uncommon to alter feeding regimes to stimulate heifers to reach puberty faster than that which would happen in the wild. The comment was meant…
I also don't care what happens in the wild, I care about facts and people that invent facts to support their claims.
AFAIK we can't force impregnate an animal if it is not in heat, the animals that won't mate in captivity probably do not get in heat or from documentaries I seen they fail to get pregnant or keep the pregnancy (I seen one about pandas).
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure what qualifies fact, as there are not a lot of wild bovine species left in world. As for choosing not to mate, I think there are studies showing that animals in captivity regularly refuse to mate. After all, in the wild there’s competition. It’s also possible and not uncommon to alter feeding regimes to stimulate heifers to reach puberty faster than that which would happen in the wild. The comment was meant…
I also don't care what happens in the wild, I care about facts and people that invent facts to support their claims. AFAIK we can't force impregnate an animal if it is not in heat, the animals that won't mate in captivity probably do not get in heat or from documentaries I seen they fail to get pregnant or keep the pregnancy (I seen one about pandas).
Well, I can’t produce the hard facts. I’m talking about what I know from anecdotal and educational experience. I don’t have sources at hand. Sorry :)
If you really care about the subject I encourage you to research it from all points of view. If you can, visit some dairy farms and make your own observations.
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#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not sure what qualifies fact, as there are not a lot of wild bovine species left in world. As for choosing not to mate, I think there are studies showing that animals in captivity regularly refuse to mate. After all, in the wild there’s competition. It’s also possible and not uncommon to alter feeding regimes to stimulate heifers to reach puberty faster than that which would happen in the wild. The comment was meant…
I also don't care what happens in the wild, I care about facts and people that invent facts to support their claims. AFAIK we can't force impregnate an animal if it is not in heat, the animals that won't mate in captivity probably do not get in heat or from documentaries I seen they fail to get pregnant or keep the pregnancy (I seen one about pandas).
It’s true that you can’t impregnate an animal in heat, but once in heat you can obviously. It’s also possible to control heat with hormon supplements, which farmers regularly use to synchronize calfings in their herd.
Not really sure what point you’re trying to make. Just because a female is ovulating, do you have the right to impregnate her?
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I welcome all companies that sell meat to publish videos of their operations. I would really like to buy meat only from companies that minimize the suffering of the livestock. Do you have any preferred livestock vendors that document their supply chain?
I cannot imagine its economical for anyone in South Dakota to have these "factory farms".
What do you mean? Do you think "factory farms" are less capital efficient than farms that would try to minimize suffering?
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I welcome all companies that sell meat to publish videos of their operations. I would really like to buy meat only from companies that minimize the suffering of the livestock. Do you have any preferred livestock vendors that document their supply chain?
If you take a car trip anywhere outside the major city centres of Iowa, Nebraska, Kansas, etc (and from what I hear, Texas) you'll inevitably see many, many head of cattle milling about in fields. I would put forth that no farmers really want to mistreat their animals, and will go at great lengths to keep them as safe as they can - this year's cyclone blizzard in Nebraska was especially indicative of this[0]. Farmers…
I don't think farmers really want to mistreat their animals. It is apparent that some farms put profit ahead of suffering. I would like to be able to look up a brand of meat in the grocery store and have them document how they take care of the animal. I would like to be able to make an informed decision in the marketplace. Saying it is impossible because farmers don't manage their supply chain is a way of answering my question.
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Veganism isn't an allergy, and it's not about maintaining perfect bodily purity. It's about making ethical choices. Most people aren't going to worry about incidental "contamination".
I've met zero non-dieter vegans who have this stance...
One here. I'm concerned with being the cause of animal suffering and not concerned if my vegan food was cooked on the same surface as meat.
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As a fellow vegetarian, I agree with not liking non-meat meat products that are too close. But, my transition was a long one. My family was very much carnosaur. I was told that I need to "expand my horizons," which meant eating new and different types of animals. (I not many that I haven't tried.) When I met my wife to be, who was vegan, that made me rethink my diet. She introduced me to many new cuisines, notably In…
I think of traditional Midwest (German, Scandinavian based) cuisine as a primary driver - it was an eye opening experience to hear vegetarians I’ve met say how much they also hate steamed vegetables. The lack of tasty spices in traditional American vegetable dishes definitely keep a lot of people going back to meat and dairy as primary flavor drivers.
FWIW I hate steamed and boiled vegetables of all kinds, but love meat.
You might be onto something with spices, though. The cuisines which have more palatable (subjectively, of course) veggie dishes tend to be the ones that are more creative with spices, now that I think about it.