Fedora 30 • Hacker News Board

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by v_lisivka » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:45 PM UTC

na85 wrote: post #26

Has Fedora got sane upgrade paths yet? Last time I used it was Fedora 14, and the recommended way to upgrade was a wipe/reinstall from scratch. There was no supported upgrade-in-place path.

Yep. Even simple `dnf upgrade -y && dnf updrade --releasever=30 -y` should work, because difference between releases is small enough. (No groundbreaking changes). I did upgrade from Fedora 26 to Fedora 28 using simple upgrade.

Recommended command for system upgrade is `sudo dnf system-upgrade download --refresh --releasever=30` then `sudo dnf system-upgrade reboot` .

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by v_lisivka » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:48 PM UTC

meddlepal wrote: post #28

na85 wrote: post #26

Has Fedora got sane upgrade paths yet? Last time I used it was Fedora 14, and the recommended way to upgrade was a wipe/reinstall from scratch. There was no supported upgrade-in-place path.

I still do the wipe and reinstall out of legacy fear, but my coworker has been doing the upgrades since F26 and says they have worked flawlessly... Big caveat: He doesn't use binary Nvidia drivers (integrated GPU on his laptop). It seems upgrades always seem to snag on Nvidia drivers from my experience.

I have binary NVidia drivers. I have no problem with upgrades for last few releases at least (since akmod invented).

Sometimes, I need to switch from supported release to legacy release of drivers or switch back, because of NVidia politics to remove old drives from binary.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by v_lisivka » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:49 PM UTC

Longhanks wrote: post #11

soulofmischief wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the 6-month release cycle is too frequent for you as a desktop user, consider using RHEL/Centos. In general Red Hat's distros are top-notch and easier to reason about than other distros.

What? The software in CentOS' official repositories is horribly outdated (aka 'stable', which is why it runs on many servers). Why should a desktop system run CentOS? I'd rather recommend Ubuntu or one of its descendants. They also have LTS versions, if stability is a concern, but are not as outdated as CentOS.

CentOS 8 is not fresh enough for you?

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by twa927 » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:54 PM UTC

Can someone say if the font rendering is improved compared to previous releases? This might sound like nitpicking but it's the thing that kept me from switching from Ubuntu, which generally has superb font rendering.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by muterad_murilax » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 5:00 PM UTC

twa927 wrote: post #34

Can someone say if the font rendering is improved compared to previous releases? This might sound like nitpicking but it's the thing that kept me from switching from Ubuntu, which generally has superb font rendering.

We would have known if they didn't hate screenshots.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by eclipseo76 » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 5:02 PM UTC

ilovecaching wrote: post #20

Too bad they didn't get Sway 1.0 package in time for Fedora 30. That's the issue with non rolling releases, you miss the train and now we have to wait months. I also tried out Silverblue, but it was super unpolished, not a lot of documentation, and there's rpms I couldn't get installed that I needed for work. Fedora is still my favorite Linux distro for just getting things done. Red Hat is a focal point for kernel an…

It can still be included via Updates.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by bluedino » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 5:10 PM UTC

twa927 wrote: post #34

Can someone say if the font rendering is improved compared to previous releases? This might sound like nitpicking but it's the thing that kept me from switching from Ubuntu, which generally has superb font rendering.

It's the same, and it won't change due to licensing. You can change it on your own, however.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/8bh7av/quick_font_r...

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by bluedino » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 5:12 PM UTC

I've been using F30 through the beta, it's been great (I've been away from Fedora since 21? or so)

Using both the default and KDE spin in VM's and on Lenovo laptops.

Ubuntu is much more 'polished' in feel and appearance, but (especially the KDE spin) Fedora feels so much faster or maybe just smoother.

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by bubblethink » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 5:15 PM UTC

bluedino wrote: post #37

twa927 wrote: post #34

Can someone say if the font rendering is improved compared to previous releases? This might sound like nitpicking but it's the thing that kept me from switching from Ubuntu, which generally has superb font rendering.

It's the same, and it won't change due to licensing. You can change it on your own, however. https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/8bh7av/quick_font_r...

Didn't the MS patent PR puff piece solve shit like this ?

Re: Fedora 30

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Post by rootbear » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 5:16 PM UTC

Longhanks wrote: post #11

soulofmischief wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the 6-month release cycle is too frequent for you as a desktop user, consider using RHEL/Centos. In general Red Hat's distros are top-notch and easier to reason about than other distros.

What? The software in CentOS' official repositories is horribly outdated (aka 'stable', which is why it runs on many servers). Why should a desktop system run CentOS? I'd rather recommend Ubuntu or one of its descendants. They also have LTS versions, if stability is a concern, but are not as outdated as CentOS.

I'm at NASA Goddard and we use RHEL/CentOS for servers and a few desktops and Ubuntu on some desktops. I am sometimes frustrated by the age of certain CentOS packages, but having compatibility with our servers is a plus. I've avoided Fedora due to the rapid release cycle and the lack of official support by NASA (at least here at Goddard). There's no perfect solution.