Fedora 30 • Hacker News Board

Re: Fedora 30

#21

Post by soulofmischief » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:11 PM UTC

Longhanks wrote: post #11

soulofmischief wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the 6-month release cycle is too frequent for you as a desktop user, consider using RHEL/Centos. In general Red Hat's distros are top-notch and easier to reason about than other distros.

What? The software in CentOS' official repositories is horribly outdated (aka 'stable', which is why it runs on many servers). Why should a desktop system run CentOS? I'd rather recommend Ubuntu or one of its descendants. They also have LTS versions, if stability is a concern, but are not as outdated as CentOS.

Fedora is too cutting edge and CentOS is too outdated? Ok then, go off to Canonical land where everything falls apart outside the most common use cases and your entire desktop experience changes every couple of years.

Fedora isn't cutting edge compared to actual rolling release distros so if that's still too much for you then RHEL or CentOS should be enough.

Re: Fedora 30

#22

Post by soulofmischief » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:13 PM UTC

opencl wrote: post #9

tpush wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What beta quality bugs?

F29 included bugs such as: -Cron jobs don't run -Package manager creates multi-gigabyte log files -Package manager crashes on systems upgraded from previous releases -GNOME crashes when switching to a virtual terminal and back -Default bluetooth config doesn't work for some devices -Ethernet runs at 10mbps instead of 1gbps https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F29_bugs

I have had my own share of bugs, all virt-related, but I have experienced none of the bugs you've described across more than a dozen systems.

dnf could definitely work on keeping its generated garbage down to a more reasonable size, though.

Re: Fedora 30

#23

Post by alexlarsson » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:18 PM UTC

tapoxi wrote: post #12

pojntfx wrote: post #6

Love this, switched today! Definitely the most easy to use distro out there and, especially in the case of Silverblue, the most modern by far (containers only!).

Silverblue is pretty incredible, but after a month of using it (Fedora 29) I did hit the occasional RPM I couldn't install because OSTree didn't support layering packages to that directory. It's also weird about third-party repos. I also wish more software was available as a Flatpak - unfortunately Ubuntu's mindshare means more developers are aware of the proprietary Snap format. I'm super excited about it though and…

Latest rpm-ostree can layer to /opt if that was the problem.

Re: Fedora 30

#24

Post by stevbov » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:18 PM UTC

Longhanks wrote: post #11

soulofmischief wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the 6-month release cycle is too frequent for you as a desktop user, consider using RHEL/Centos. In general Red Hat's distros are top-notch and easier to reason about than other distros.

What? The software in CentOS' official repositories is horribly outdated (aka 'stable', which is why it runs on many servers). Why should a desktop system run CentOS? I'd rather recommend Ubuntu or one of its descendants. They also have LTS versions, if stability is a concern, but are not as outdated as CentOS.

I've put certain family members on CentOS.

It kinda depends upon what you're doing with your computer. E.g. if I weren't into gaming I would be using CentOS over Fedora (or Ubuntu).

Re: Fedora 30

#25

Post by tapoxi » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:22 PM UTC

padraic7a wrote: post #19

tapoxi wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Silverblue is pretty incredible, but after a month of using it (Fedora 29) I did hit the occasional RPM I couldn't install because OSTree didn't support layering packages to that directory. It's also weird about third-party repos. I also wish more software was available as a Flatpak - unfortunately Ubuntu's mindshare means more developers are aware of the proprietary Snap format. I'm super excited about it though and…

Not to trn this thread into an argument about formats but snap isn't a proprietary format at all. It's a squashfs file with some metadata. ]and congratulations to Fedora!]

My problem with it is that there's no concept of a Snap repository, like Flatpak. Snap is intrinsically tied to Canonical's Snap store.

Re: Fedora 30

#26

Post by na85 » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:28 PM UTC

Has Fedora got sane upgrade paths yet? Last time I used it was Fedora 14, and the recommended way to upgrade was a wipe/reinstall from scratch. There was no supported upgrade-in-place path.

Re: Fedora 30

#27

Post by cozzyd » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:28 PM UTC

Cool, I guess I'll upgrade from 29 in a month or so once other people have figured out any potential upgrade issues :)

Re: Fedora 30

#28

Post by meddlepal » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:29 PM UTC

na85 wrote: post #26

Has Fedora got sane upgrade paths yet? Last time I used it was Fedora 14, and the recommended way to upgrade was a wipe/reinstall from scratch. There was no supported upgrade-in-place path.

I still do the wipe and reinstall out of legacy fear, but my coworker has been doing the upgrades since F26 and says they have worked flawlessly...

Big caveat: He doesn't use binary Nvidia drivers (integrated GPU on his laptop). It seems upgrades always seem to snag on Nvidia drivers from my experience.

Re: Fedora 30

#29

Post by bwat49 » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:35 PM UTC

na85 wrote: post #26

Has Fedora got sane upgrade paths yet? Last time I used it was Fedora 14, and the recommended way to upgrade was a wipe/reinstall from scratch. There was no supported upgrade-in-place path.

I'm not a fedora user myself, but I believe that there is a direct upgrade path (and has been for a while now).

Re: Fedora 30

#30

Post by ksplice » Tue, Apr 30, 2019, 4:41 PM UTC

na85 wrote: post #26

Has Fedora got sane upgrade paths yet? Last time I used it was Fedora 14, and the recommended way to upgrade was a wipe/reinstall from scratch. There was no supported upgrade-in-place path.

It has, a long time ago. I have been using Fedora since (I believe) version 23, now on 29. The system is heavily customized (with a lot of the relatively core stuff (like firewalld) ripped out), and I haven't had a single problem with the upgrades.