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It’s Hard to Learn French in Middle Age

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Re: It’s Hard to Learn French in Middle Age

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> It's not. It's "bouloche" -- https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/bouloche That says a lot about the quality of peer review at the NYT.

That someone missed potentially a typo in a foreign language?

Well, if the objective of the sentence is to teach the reader a word, it's more significant than missing any arbitrary typo in a foreign language.

Re: It’s Hard to Learn French in Middle Age

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It's just a matter on how much time you spend learning the language. Even if you only consider the time you spent in school merely learning your own native language those school lessons will add up to thousands of hours. How many adults, who have already "learned" a foreign language, dedicate 6 hours per week purely on further improving their skills in that language for 12 years? If you are worried about not knowing…

What website/application would you recommend for spaced repetition of vocabulary? I've found the changing Windows logon screens quite nice, since every other day or so there's a new beautiful picture along with a few bubbles of text in German, enabling me to learn a few new words (though I'll probably forget most of them).

The answer to basically any spaced repetition question is always going to end up being Anki.

https://apps.ankiweb.net/

Re: It’s Hard to Learn French in Middle Age

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post #39

It's just a matter on how much time you spend learning the language. Even if you only consider the time you spent in school merely learning your own native language those school lessons will add up to thousands of hours. How many adults, who have already "learned" a foreign language, dedicate 6 hours per week purely on further improving their skills in that language for 12 years? If you are worried about not knowing…

What website/application would you recommend for spaced repetition of vocabulary? I've found the changing Windows logon screens quite nice, since every other day or so there's a new beautiful picture along with a few bubbles of text in German, enabling me to learn a few new words (though I'll probably forget most of them).

This one is pretty good. https://apps.ankiweb.net/

Re: It’s Hard to Learn French in Middle Age

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It's just a matter on how much time you spend learning the language. Even if you only consider the time you spent in school merely learning your own native language those school lessons will add up to thousands of hours. How many adults, who have already "learned" a foreign language, dedicate 6 hours per week purely on further improving their skills in that language for 12 years? If you are worried about not knowing…

In college Mandarin courses we were required to learn 30 words a day. That was a nearly impossible task for 20 year old me and required three hours of study a day on top of the 1:20 or 1:50 long daily class. To think a person more than twice that age can learn 30 words a day is, to my aged brain, ludicrous. Maybe it’s just me, but my learning ability is now vastly below what it was in my teens or even college.

Re: It’s Hard to Learn French in Middle Age

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> And I revel in small triumphs, like discovering that a woolen ball on a sweater is a “boulouche” I'm French and I discovered that word today.

Me too. As there are only around 602 000 results on Google I suspected it was only used in specific areas and according to the dictionary ("Petit Robert") it originates from Lille.

I'm from southern France and know it, fwiw (although my parents are from near Paris and from Picardie)

Re: It’s Hard to Learn French in Middle Age

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I actually think that for her not letting go of English is the biggest obstacle. You won't be properly immersed if any significant part of your live still happens in your native tongue.

In my student exchange year this was very noticeable: all of us Europeans decided to not speak our native languages among ourselves while the large group of Brazilians kept speaking Portuguese with each other. At the end of the year the their English showed little improvement and they also did not seem be well integrated with American friends and so on.

On the other hand, we came home barely able to speak our native languages. That is a really weird feeling when you try to speak to your parents in German and your brain just gives you English words and idioms.

So yeah, before you give up because of age try to not leave your brain an out to be lazy. Brain, there is only one language now and you'd better learn it quickly.

Re: It’s Hard to Learn French in Middle Age

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People forget how much time they spent learning something when they were younger. I feel like a lot of adults give up and use age as an excuse for not trying new things.

I think this is one of the biggest points. Kids spend all day in school being forced to learn, they come home and do homework, and everything they're doing day to day is exposing them to something new. Every little thing they know feels like a huge accomplishment. Adults are generally getting paid to do things they can already do and when we get home, we tend to piss away our time with things we know we'll like and a…

> I think this is one of the biggest points. Kids spend all day in school being forced to learn, they come home and do homework, and everything they're doing day to day is exposing them to something new. Every little thing they know feels like a huge accomplishment.

You’re far too kind to school. You can teach an illiterate 9 year old to read English in 40 hours, about the same time as it takes to cover the entire primary school math curriculum with a 12 year old. Homework in primary school has nugatory impacts on learning; it’s a theft of time from children and their families for ~0 benefit. You can take a native speaker of Mandarin from completely illiterate to grade level in reading and writing in three years and that’s either the most difficult or the second most difficult language after Japanese to write. If children actually retained what they were taught in school maybe it would be worth it but the average US adult doesn’t know each state has two senators. People do not retain knowledge they don’t use or find interesting.

School before 12 years old is an exercise in teaching children things slowly and haltingly that they are capable of picking up quickly and easily in a fraction of the time two years later, and things that genuinely help children like play time, especially unstructured play are forced out to increase test scores in earlier age groups when the increase washes out to nothing compared to those of two decades ago by the end of high school.

Re: It’s Hard to Learn French in Middle Age

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The problem with French is that the French are very sensitive to mistakes.

If I speak bad English (I am Russian), everybody is still happy, the worst thing can happen is I’ll get corrected, and in 99.9% of cases it’s not even that.

If I speak bad French with a French person... may God have mercy upon my soul. Especially if I forgot to say bonjour/bonsoir first (abomination! burn the heretic!)

Re: It’s Hard to Learn French in Middle Age

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> And I revel in small triumphs, like discovering that a woolen ball on a sweater is a “boulouche” It's not. It's "bouloche" -- https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/bouloche > When my kids brought home notices telling me to check their hair for “poux” (pronounced “poo”), I correctly deduced that it meant lice. But later, in a first-aid course, I was perplexed when the instructor told us to immediately check an unconscious…

You're being harsh for pouls / poux being singular/plural, provided it was the first time the author had encountered those words. That kind of knowledge comes with experience with the words, which the author didn't have. Bouloche has been corrected.

I don't know what foreign learners of french learn, but native speakers very early learn the complete list of words ending with ou whose plural is with an x instead of an s, which poux is one of (there are only 7 of them)
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