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Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Re: Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Post by eridius »

beenBoutIT wrote: post #103
praptak wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Nintendo were always like this does not mean it is okay. If there's anything wrong with this story it's how everyone seems to silently accept it is okay for a company to tell you what you can run on the hardware that you "buy" but not really own.

It is okay, just don't buy anything made by Nintendo unless you're ok with Nintendo's restrictive 'nanny console' TOS. You can run Linux and play GTA and Mortal Kombat on other consoles. Nintendo is geared towards people who like Nintendo.

Sony removed the ability to run Linux many years ago, after it was determined that it was impossible to prevent a jailbreak as long as the second OS feature existed. I’m not aware of Xbox ever supporting this.

Re: Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Post by beenBoutIT »

SantalBlush wrote: post #116
beenBoutIT wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is okay, just don't buy anything made by Nintendo unless you're ok with Nintendo's restrictive 'nanny console' TOS. You can run Linux and play GTA and Mortal Kombat on other consoles. Nintendo is geared towards people who like Nintendo.

I think the "Just don't buy it" mantra has been applied too broadly. It implies that people have no right to complain about a company, which I completely reject.

The ability to complain about companies is a fundamental right, although it's I important to understand that no one at Nintendo is listening. I personally hate Nintendo and despise the way they prevent young people from modding/hacking their consoles and playing GTA games. Those are the two things I want out of a gaming console, so I don't buy anything Nintendo makes.

Re: Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Post by beenBoutIT »

eridius wrote: post #131
beenBoutIT wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is okay, just don't buy anything made by Nintendo unless you're ok with Nintendo's restrictive 'nanny console' TOS. You can run Linux and play GTA and Mortal Kombat on other consoles. Nintendo is geared towards people who like Nintendo.

Sony removed the ability to run Linux many years ago, after it was determined that it was impossible to prevent a jailbreak as long as the second OS feature existed. I’m not aware of Xbox ever supporting this.

Sony did technically 'remove it', although it's still something that can be done if you're really interested in doing it. Nintendo seems to prioritize jailbreaking above everything else and for most of their consoles there's literally nothing interesting that can be done outside of using them to play Nintendo games.

Re: Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Post by ppseafield »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #91
ppseafield wrote: post #28

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Indeed. Although this isn't sexually explicit, it reminds me of the trouble Rockstar got in after the Hot Coffee fiasco. Their publisher had to pay out hundreds of millions of dollars. (Edit: pkroll is correct, the final penalties were $21 million.) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Coffee_mod

Everything about that scandal was stupid. In an M rated game (recommended for 17 and older), the protagonist could date women, be invited into their homes, and then the player would hear the sounds of the characters having sex. Fine, whatever. The game also allowed the player to sleep with prostitutes on the street to regain health, which would either cost them money or, if the player completed missions to become the…

I agree, the reaction was completely, 100% nuts.

But such an Easter egg could put Nintendo in a similar situation, and I can see why they can't let developers get away with hidden content like this. It would set a bad precedent.

Re: Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Post by duxup »

saidajigumi wrote: post #16

The narrative in the article also misses the following point, which I've seen many times over the years, in both game dev and non-game dev shops: It is massively unprofessional to ship an Easter Egg without broad consent to do so. Planning a fun "secret" for your users? Great! Surprising people involved in the publishing pipeline , esp. in a "will I get caught" way? Not so great. That's where Rajan went off the rails…

Yeah, put a silly picture or sound in there or something if you want to Easter egg it up.

Re: Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Post by DerekL »

beenBoutIT wrote: post #103
praptak wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Nintendo were always like this does not mean it is okay. If there's anything wrong with this story it's how everyone seems to silently accept it is okay for a company to tell you what you can run on the hardware that you "buy" but not really own.

It is okay, just don't buy anything made by Nintendo unless you're ok with Nintendo's restrictive 'nanny console' TOS. You can run Linux and play GTA and Mortal Kombat on other consoles. Nintendo is geared towards people who like Nintendo.

> You can run Linux and play GTA and Mortal Kombat on other consoles.

I don't know what you mean here. You can play the latest Mortal Kombat on the Switch, too.

Re: Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Post by rizzin »

wnevets wrote: post #121
praptak wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that Nintendo were always like this does not mean it is okay. If there's anything wrong with this story it's how everyone seems to silently accept it is okay for a company to tell you what you can run on the hardware that you "buy" but not really own.

Nintendo gets a pass on a lot of crap other companies would get torched for by the internet community, DRM, DCMA take downs, etc. Nostalgia is powerful

It's not just nostalgia.

Nintendo keeps providing excellent gaming experience that no one else does. Super Mario Odyssey is awesome not because it's the same old Mario guy from NES, but because it is just a great game.

Nintendo games are not polluted by the games-as-service and free-to-play monetization mindsets as badly as other platforms.

I don't like a lot of their rigidity, such as takedowns or still not getting rid of having stuff segregated by regions, but I appreciate what they contribute to the world of video games.

Re: Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Post by paxys »

praptak wrote: post #40
jdietrich wrote: post #11

>The narrative that has played out online is exactly what's wrong with this trashcan fire of a world. >Everyone is an armchair expert. Everyone thought the worst. You've seen that I've been called a dick, idiot, and everything in between. Because sensationalised news sells. If the narrative was 'I added a sandbox to A Dark Room that lets you mod the game and provide a medium for kids to code (and technical parents to…

The fact that Nintendo were always like this does not mean it is okay. If there's anything wrong with this story it's how everyone seems to silently accept it is okay for a company to tell you what you can run on the hardware that you "buy" but not really own.

You, the customer, are allowed to do anything with your device. What they are doing is blocking a developer that makes money on their marketplace for not following rules. They wouldn't allow anyone to sell pornography, malware, defective/broken software etc. either.

Re: Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Post by kuzehanka »

Jasper_ wrote: post #102
xkcd-sucks wrote: post #82

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So all one needs to do to make exploits/jailbreaks/backup loaders for switch is to get a Nintendo developer account? Sounds like a win

... and buy separate devkit hardware (relatively cheap compared to Wii U days, but still), make an actual game (devkit does not play retail games, and retail console cannot install dev-signed apps), get it through TRC/lotcheck, pay the fees to publish the game, give trailers/launch material to Nintendo, never once mention its secret purpose as a jailbreak, and then secretly share it with all your friends without any…

> never once mention its secret purpose as a jailbreak

The switch is completely thoroughly irreversibly jailbroken at the hardware level already. I don't think the secret purpose was to be a jailbreak.

Re: Indie Game Removed from Switch After Dev Reveals It Has a Hidden Code Editor

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Post by chii »

rizzin wrote: post #137
wnevets wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nintendo gets a pass on a lot of crap other companies would get torched for by the internet community, DRM, DCMA take downs, etc. Nostalgia is powerful

It's not just nostalgia. Nintendo keeps providing excellent gaming experience that no one else does. Super Mario Odyssey is awesome not because it's the same old Mario guy from NES, but because it is just a great game. Nintendo games are not polluted by the games-as-service and free-to-play monetization mindsets as badly as other platforms. I don't like a lot of their rigidity, such as takedowns or still not getting…

> providing excellent gaming experience ... not polluted by the games-as-service and free-to-play monetization mindsets as badly as other platforms.

But why does this have to do with draconian lock-down rules? Presumably, allowing homebrew code is not gonna affect the above at all.

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