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This Place Is Not a Place of Honor (1992)

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Re: This Place Is Not a Place of Honor (1992)

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This is a nice little script. function wayback_link(url) { return `https://web.archive.org/web/${url}`; } console.log(wayback_link("https://github.com"))

I just went to https://web.archive.org/web/news.ycombinator.com (no date in the url) and it sent me to the most recent snapshot.

Perfect, of course that's how this should work. Updated :P

Re: This Place Is Not a Place of Honor (1992)

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post #5

I always imagined a concept such that instead of trying to deter people from entering was designed to convey that it was trying to keep something dangerous from escaping. Someone trying to keep you out of an ancient tomb? Clearly there are valuables in there. An ancient tomb that's locked from the outside? That's creepy.

Indeed, any uninhabited place with signs of past human activity just invites grave robbing by any sufficiently pre-modern society.

Re: This Place Is Not a Place of Honor (1992)

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For anyone interested in things like this, I'd recommend "Deep Time" by Gregory Benford[1]. It has a chapter devoted to WIPP[2] and this messaging.

[1] Amazon link: https://www.amazon.com/Deep-Time-Humanity-Communicates-Mille...

[2] Seems to be online, albeit poorly formatted, here: https://www.physics.uci.edu/~silverma/benford.html

Re: This Place Is Not a Place of Honor (1992)

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Is also worth looking into the related and awesomely named, 'Human Interference Task Force'.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Interference_Task_Force

I think their best work has to be the ray-cats.

http://mentalfloss.com/article/27476/ray-cats-artificial-moo...

http://www.theraycatsolution.com/

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/ten-thousand-years/

Re: This Place Is Not a Place of Honor (1992)

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I feel like there's something to think about here since we couldn't even keep the page with this information active for a decade and the goal is to keep the actual warning around for 10,000 years.

Or, to realize that we did in fact keep it active, just through archive.org, the modern day Library of Alexandria on steroids. EDIT: Makes things hard if the warning sign was a link however, yes. Could just add a published date then, and I'd assume things would be fine.

All this is irrelevant to the issue of warning aliens about radioactive waste however, since if we could preserve archive.org, I'd assume we could also preserve a database of radioactive waste locations.

Re: This Place Is Not a Place of Honor (1992)

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post #26

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Ha! That would make a great story. Mormons already have a hollowed out mountain[1] but at least ostensibly it's full of genealogical records not plutonium. (Also I'm a Mormon.) [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granite_Mountain_(Utah)

Why so much work into storing genealogical records?

Mormon belief is that baptism is one of the few strict requirement for entry into Heaven, but that it can also be performed for the dead by volunteer proxies. Even the most obstinate sinners and nonbelievers will gain entry into the lowest-but-still-pleasant level of Heaven if they haven't committed the unpardonable sin[1]... so long as they've been baptized, in person or by proxy. Combine those premises and it becomes an obvious moral imperative to gather as much historical genological information as possible to perform proxy baptisms for as many deceased people as possible.

Of course, this presumption of religious axioms also has a history of upsetting people of other religions, and the extensive information-gathering involved often uses borderline unethical methods, such as the various geneology research service websites that are run in one way or another by the LDS Church and include terms of service that let them use the info you piece together however they like.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_sin#Mormonism

Re: This Place Is Not a Place of Honor (1992)

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post #4

For the curious, 2017: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15210404 2016: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11851871 2011: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2211025 2009: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=948606

We should create something like the olympiad to gather together and re-tell the epic story of danger every few years, rather than building a monument and hoping it still means something on its own.

Maybe have a competition every so often for the best pieces of art or graphic design explaining the danger. (maybe add it to the olympics?)

That way we keep this alive in the public consciences and even if the competition dies out, hopefully at least one work will survive 10,000 years.

Re: This Place Is Not a Place of Honor (1992)

#39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or, to realize that we did in fact keep it active, just through archive.org, the modern day Library of Alexandria on steroids. EDIT: Makes things hard if the warning sign was a link however, yes. Could just add a published date then, and I'd assume things would be fine.

This is a nice little script. function wayback_link(url) { return `https://web.archive.org/web/${url}`; } console.log(wayback_link("https://github.com"))

If you use DuckDuckGo as your default search engine, it's also enough to (in Firefox or Chrome or any other browser where the URL bar functions as a search bar) prepend the URL with "!wayback " (without the quotes, but with the trailing space).

You could also do the same with "https://web.archive.org/web/", but "!wayback " is easier for me to remember.

Re: This Place Is Not a Place of Honor (1992)

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I've actually thought about this quite a lot. Not because I have an expertise in the matter--I don't. But because it's such a fascinating thought experiment.

My proposed solution goes something like this: It is hard to convey that there is nothing of value and only danger within. So what if you just made the site actually dangerous on the surface? Is it possible to build something like a lake of acid that would make the area uninhabitable, dangerous, and impossible to develop?

Or, to keep it more abstract: Maybe the problem is that we're looking for the right symbol. But instead of symbols we should make the fact of the area itself the deterrent.

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