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Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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The Cultural Revolution is a special one, in which the party itself is the "bigger" victim, so it's kinda okay to criticize it "the right way", many movies and dramas have been made about it.

How is the party itself the bigger victim? What does it mean to criticize it in the right way?

Coz it was orchestrated by Mao mainly to persecute Liu Shaoqi and his kind by the hands of the people, Liu was of important position in the party and soured his relationship with Mao over the Great Chinese Famine.

The prolonged struggle affected a lot of high officials, including the Xi family, the Gang of Four was eventually deemed the culprit by those who survived, and "rectification" ensued .

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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I've NEVER seen a post make it to the top of HN front page and then drop so quickly. It's almost like there is a bot network that detected keywords that may be negative towards the Chinese government and downvoted on masse to bury the story If the data is open, it would be very interesting to see who and how this is being downvoted.

I've anecdotally noticed the same thing, but I have also noticed moderators asking users to refrain from conspiracy comments like this. I guess we have to trust that the administrators of this site, with full access to account and posting data, would notice if a concerted network of accounts was flagging certain submissions. I'd hope that their findings would be discussed publicly, but until then I don't think there'…

I've met quite a few of the YC team before and I know they don't have a person with this sort of speciality. There is a reason the top fraud detection analysts get paid so much on ecommerce companies - you have to be good at data science, behavioral analytics, and know enough tech to be able to spot this sort of patterns.

I wish YC would have something similar to FOI, where people can publicly request for specific anonymized data. This way, we can a clearer idea of how various actors interact with a forum... in this case HN.

If I could get anonymized data, I'd 1) filter first for all posts with keyword "China" that have made it any given point to the HN front page over last 3 months 2) Categorize articles as "positive towards", "negative towards", and "neutral" in content and tone 3) view upvote/flag rate before reaching the front page vs post exposure on the front page. 4) Compare across the 3. If people simply don't like China articles, then the pattern should be uniform. If it's not the same pattern, then you have drill down to specifically where the downvotes are coming from and when they start. 5) Since you can only flag but not downvote stories, is there an automated surge of upvotes for all surrounding posts excluding the targeted "negative" post?

There's a lot to look at, but based on my anecdotal experience, over the last few months, negative Chinese articles are simply flagged/downvoted rapidly which contrasts to just a months earlier where there were robust discussions on each article. Real people predictably comment/interact consistently over time- that's proven. The fact that counter-posts to China-negative posts have largely disappeared suggests a large degree of coordination in the first place. Almost like rather than trying to win the argument online, the default is now to bury all negativity in the first place by promoting everything else on HN rapidly.

If this is the case, there should be patterns of suspicious accounts. Key questions to ask: how did these accounts that downvoted get to the 400? karma threshold to vote. Was it a bot net where they upvote each others random posts? Or is it a manual process like the paid online trolls where accounts are created and provide interactions to reach the threshold, and then kept on ice storage until needed to downvote/flag?

Just looking at the metadata and interaction patterns will give you a clear idea if this is typical post interaction behavior, or something more sinister.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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I've NEVER seen a post make it to the top of HN front page and then drop so quickly. It's almost like there is a bot network that detected keywords that may be negative towards the Chinese government and downvoted on masse to bury the story If the data is open, it would be very interesting to see who and how this is being downvoted.

You can’t downvote, stories, but you can down comments.

You can upvote every other story around it and then flag the original.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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If you're unaware, he was was suspended from his position and banned from leaving because he questioned making Xi leader for life. They are also scrubbing his name from the news and social media. Disappearing him is a very possible next step. Edit: dang I know you've said that vote/flag manipulation wasn't happening in the past when you've looked through the data. But could you provide some insight on why this droppe…

Faster than the Mueller Report post was flagged?

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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i've spent nearly a decade in and around china (including some time at peking university which is down the road from tsinghua), for anyone trying to make sense of the contradictions that are china, i'd recommended picking up chan koonchung's (陈冠中) excellent novel the fat years (盛世 - 中国2013年).

although the way the novel wraps-up is a bit outlandish and disappointing... overall its does an excellent job of translating all the fascinating, bizarre, and creepy headlines we're constantly bombarded with these days into a plausible portrait of modern china (at least for me).

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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I'm currently reading the Three Body Problem by the Chinese Science Fiction writer Liu Cixin. It starts right in the middle of the cultural revolution and does not paint the party in a positive light. It'd be interesting to know why this wasn't censored. I heard something about China being excellent at manufacturing, but having trouble with creating new industries and President Xi noticed that in the west those creat…

Historically, speaking the party rehabilitated (I think that is the term) the reputation of a number of important leadership figures who the cultural revolution had pushed out for a time. It would seem that the mistakes of the cultural revolution are to some extent recognized / an acceptable topic.

Deng Xiaoping was a notable figure who was pushed out during the cultural revolution and then returned to lead the party. It was such a common thing that there were committees setup to address the cultural revolution and were receptive to petitions made by those who were pushed out.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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If you're unaware, he was was suspended from his position and banned from leaving because he questioned making Xi leader for life. They are also scrubbing his name from the news and social media. Disappearing him is a very possible next step. Edit: dang I know you've said that vote/flag manipulation wasn't happening in the past when you've looked through the data. But could you provide some insight on why this droppe…

Dang has no interest in upsetting Chinese loyalists, so he’ll never release the data behind his claims of “no voting manipulation”.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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If you're unaware, he was was suspended from his position and banned from leaving because he questioned making Xi leader for life. They are also scrubbing his name from the news and social media. Disappearing him is a very possible next step. Edit: dang I know you've said that vote/flag manipulation wasn't happening in the past when you've looked through the data. But could you provide some insight on why this droppe…

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Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can’t downvote, stories, but you can down comments.

You can upvote every other story around it and then flag the original.

I think flagging just causes it to disappear altogether, though yes you could upvote every story except for it...

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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It's interesting we are not getting any Xi loyalists posting here. Not even any trolls who try to divert the discussion with whataboutism. Maybe they have finally realized they are not going to be able to persuade the world that Xi is great, or at least not any worse than anyone else.
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