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Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#191

There’s a good reason why these sort of products are marketed as meatless and not vegetarian, and it’s not because they still contain some animal products. When a true vegetarian is hungry, the first thing that comes to their minds are plant based foods. If the first though is of juicy burgers or bacon or chicken then that person is not a real vegetarian. To be vegetarian is to be vegetarian in mind and identity. Mea…

When (probably not an if at this point) there are meat substitutes that are palatable to carnivores, will vegetarians accept them, meaning eat them? It's an interesting question, but I expect there will always be people that like the current vegetarian no meat lifestyle, even if there are non-meat but meat-like substitutes they'll avoid them. I do love a burger, even though I feel like I'm moving toward the veggie li…

Honestly I see no reason to eat this stuff ever unless I'm in a pinch. If I want a burger I'm not wanting something that looks or smells like meat just something with the same form factor as a burger.

Lately it's lentils and kidney beans with walnuts. Smash em all up and you got yourself a nice lil patty.

I make sliders this way with all the fixings and I just don't ever see myself wanting something more "realistic" haha

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#192
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Here an interesting quote[0] from the founder of Impossible Burger that kind of touches on the meatless vs vegetarian/vegan discussion happening a lot in this thread: "[Before becoming a vegan] I loved putting milk in my coffee and cereal, but plant-based milks don’t work for me so far. No-one is trying very hard to deliver the full experience of what consumers value from milk. We don’t want to follow the course of s…

Ironically I find that I (vegetarian, not vegan) tend to enjoy meat replacements that don't try replicate meat. I find the ones that DO try to replicate meats taste are just not very good at it, and it ends up tasting pretty bad. The good stuff is still tasty and savory but it's doing its own thing. edit: Not to say the impossible burger can't be good (I've not been able to try one) Just a comment on existing product…

I'm very curious about people in your camp -- those that don't like attempts to replicate meat, but do like the "patty" food format. How do you usually eat your meat replacements? On a sandwich? Chopped up? A mix? Since it seems like they are all frozen (but maybe I'm wrong here?), is a big part of the draw convenience? Is protein content a factor in your decision at all?

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#193
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I wonder what the cost basis is of an Impossible Burger vs. a beef patty. The meat industry has built up some economies of scale but it's hard to believe that raising and slaughtering cows is the most cost effective way to feed people protein.

$7 more at The Counter. It's a "premium item" there.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#194

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> But Burger King is cooking the impossible burger on the same grill upon which they're grilling the meat. Why is the corporate world so hopelessly stupid?

What I find more "hopelessly stupid" is being so uptight about the matter that you care if a few particles of animal matter made their way into your food from a shared grill. Even assuming the vegan moral framework, it does no additional good to separate the grills and you're not encouraging any more animal harm by reusing the other grill. It's not like a religion that bans eating certain foods, or an allergy, in whi…

I'm not a vegetarian or a vegan, personally. I'm a hunter, a fisherman, and I buy beef by the half cow from a small ranch. All of that said, if Burger King is selling some food products and marketing them as vegetarian or vegan, but they are being cooked in animal grease, and surely that is what this means, well, then they're either stupid, they're liars, or they're hopelessly incompetent. And you see this sort of tone deaf nonsense coming out of corporations time and time again.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#195
post #41

Here an interesting quote[0] from the founder of Impossible Burger that kind of touches on the meatless vs vegetarian/vegan discussion happening a lot in this thread: "[Before becoming a vegan] I loved putting milk in my coffee and cereal, but plant-based milks don’t work for me so far. No-one is trying very hard to deliver the full experience of what consumers value from milk. We don’t want to follow the course of s…

Ironically I find that I (vegetarian, not vegan) tend to enjoy meat replacements that don't try replicate meat. I find the ones that DO try to replicate meats taste are just not very good at it, and it ends up tasting pretty bad. The good stuff is still tasty and savory but it's doing its own thing. edit: Not to say the impossible burger can't be good (I've not been able to try one) Just a comment on existing product…

What are you favorite meat replacements that don't try replicate meat? I'd be interested in trying some :-D

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#196

I feel like Taco Bell could have done this years ago with any old seitan product, and I await their announcement eagerly.

I wonder if there's a big market at Taco Bell, the reason I say that is because Taco Bell has beans, which is a just fine protein for me at least. I personally don't feel like I need anything else if I've got beans. Though, honestly, Chipotle and Moe's both have a tofu option though.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#197

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How would grass fed beef generate a negative carbon footprint?

They eat grass, distress the soil and leave their fertilizer behind. The grass regrows, which captures carbon via photosynthesis. Obviously I have no idea what I'm talking about, so I don't know if the methane produced by cattle has a bigger impact. But it definitely seems better than both grain fed meat and monocrops, in terms of energy input and environmental/ecosystem impact. The major energy input in the system i…

> They eat grass, distress the soil and leave their fertilizer behind. The grass regrows, which captures carbon via photosynthesis.

I think the equation is a lot more complicated than that. For instance, did you know that the vast majority of weight that your body regularly sheds is due to the carbon you breathe out? The average human breathes out around 2.3 lbs of C02 per day. That increases a lot when you're engaging in physical exertion.

I'm guessing that the same holds true for cows, but the poundage is going to be a lot higher because their body mass is a lot larger. Cows (and people) have to eat as much they shed in order to avoid wasting away, and most of that is carbon.

I would expect that a fully grown cow is essentially carbon neutral, not carbon-absorbing, if you're just looking at the dietary cycle.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#198

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You're not. the mcdouble is the cheapest, most nutritious sandwich every made. A vegan burger can't compete.

Agreed. You might not want to build your entire diet around them but under $2USD for ~400kcal in about as balanced as a format as you can expect from a burger is pretty damn impressive. The fact that you can walk into a McDonalds on just about any continent and get said McDouble and it will be just like any other McDouble is a miracle of modern logistics and process control.

Don't disagree about the process control but is 200kcal/$1 really the best you can do? I mean obviously you can buy something in bulk and beat that but it's less interesting than if you only had $2.

Okay so research results:

* A 2 pack of Hot Pockets is $2 and 640kcal.

* Two banquet turkey pot pies are 640kcal for $1.80.

* Cheating somewhat because the ratio is amazing Kroger brand pizza rolls are 1467kcal for $2.77.

* Found a vegetarian option! Totino's Triple Cheese Party Pizza is 700kcal for $1.34.

Hot Pockets are kinda sandwiches I suppose.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#199
post #41

Here an interesting quote[0] from the founder of Impossible Burger that kind of touches on the meatless vs vegetarian/vegan discussion happening a lot in this thread: "[Before becoming a vegan] I loved putting milk in my coffee and cereal, but plant-based milks don’t work for me so far. No-one is trying very hard to deliver the full experience of what consumers value from milk. We don’t want to follow the course of s…

Isn't there a YC startup from the last batch that does precisely this (high-quality, versatile milk substitute)?

EDIT: yep, Eclipse Foods:

https://techcrunch.com/2019/03/19/launching-from-yc-eclipse-...

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

#200

The Impossible Burger uses coconut oil which is 90% saturated fat the highest of any oil. Saturated fat causes a spike in bad cholesterol. Beef fat has saturated fat but it's only at 40% of the total. Even heme the thing that makes the burger look bloody is even worse foe health than the coconut oil. Of all the things in red meat heme is the thing that causes the most harm and it's in the Impossible Burger. I'm not v…

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