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Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by mikestew »

bifrost wrote: post #76
mikestew wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No need to be so dismissive, there's nothing hand-wavy about it. That meat juice you think I'm so concerned about? Hey, I didn't request that an animal be slaughtered for my meal, that was the guy before me. If some of his meat drippings fall on my Impossible Burger, no purity tests have been failed.

I guess its the difference of intent vs the outcome. Yes, you didn't ask for meat but you got some anyways and if you're fine with that, thats cool. If there's meat juice on your vegan burger even by accident its not vegan, I don't think thats too weird of a concept. I'm sure people will bikeshed about this, but if you go look up the definition of "vegan" you'll generally find its "doesn't consume animal products" an…

but if you go look up the definition of "vegan"

Oh, hell, no. I'm not looking to Webster's to define my lifestyle choices. You want to get all legalistic about it, knock yourself out. But don't set up a legalistic strawman and then proceed to beat the stuffing out of him.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by everdev »

honkycat wrote: post #71
everdev wrote: post #40

I wonder what the cost basis is of an Impossible Burger vs. a beef patty. The meat industry has built up some economies of scale but it's hard to believe that raising and slaughtering cows is the most cost effective way to feed people protein.

I am not a vegan. But I do hold a lot of environmental values. There is a LOT of interesting writing on the economy of the meat industrial complex. In essence: It is totally propped up by with subsidies from the US Government. They LOSE money on every cow slaughtered. They destroy our planet. All of the profits go to the billionaire farm owners who lobby to keep the laws in place. It is so horribly corrupt. Personall…

Yes, it's sad on many levels. Never heard of a billionaire farmer though. Maybe Purdue (chicken)?

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by moate »

eloff wrote: post #56
moate wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data or it didn't happen.

If you feel the need for a fact check, do it yourself (and then share it here). It's not the OPs job to lookup facts for you.

This is an extremely odd call. Also, how the hell am I supposed to prove anything here? Where do you even get data like that? That's my whole point, that this seems like some dude on the internet making some wonky proclamation. You want quality discourse? Then the person making such a claim needs to provide some receipts or else everyone else has to work twice as hard as he does to keep up with his bullshit.

I'm not making any claims about where vegetarians do or don't live, and it seems pretty bold to throw something out like stating where most people of such a diverse group live.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by naravara »

Majestic121 wrote: post #72
eloff wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you feel the need for a fact check, do it yourself (and then share it here). It's not the OPs job to lookup facts for you.

That's not how the burden of proof works. It becomes the OP's job to provide fact when they state things and then are asked to back them up. OP can then choose not to do so, but the one asking for source is not to be blamed here.

Maybe in a debate club. If you're having a casual conversation, though, the emphasis is usually on having agreed upon facts and keep the discussion going.

Asking for fact-checks is fine, but it's also exceedingly annoying to try to build up a point while people who don't know what they're talking about disingenuously stand around demanding you validate every single statement or axiom you want to make. That's a common rhetorical style on the internet, and it seems it's very often designed more to exhaust and bore the person being questioned than as a way to improve understanding.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by Faramir4k »

chrisco255 wrote: post #74
wccrawford wrote: post #69

As far as I can tell, I'm the target demographic for this. I eat beef (and other meat) burgers because I like how they taste. If this comes close, I'll gladly switch, even though they cost a little more. I'm far from vegetarian, but I've been thinking more and more that I'd like to slim down on my actual meat eating for a few reasons, including the environment, the animal living conditions, and the cholesterol. The o…

As someone raised around cattle ranches, I really don't understand the animal living conditions argument.

There's an interesting anti-meat psyop going around, coinciding with rising meat prices (Canada).

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by mfatica »

honkycat wrote: post #71
everdev wrote: post #40

I wonder what the cost basis is of an Impossible Burger vs. a beef patty. The meat industry has built up some economies of scale but it's hard to believe that raising and slaughtering cows is the most cost effective way to feed people protein.

I am not a vegan. But I do hold a lot of environmental values. There is a LOT of interesting writing on the economy of the meat industrial complex. In essence: It is totally propped up by with subsidies from the US Government. They LOSE money on every cow slaughtered. They destroy our planet. All of the profits go to the billionaire farm owners who lobby to keep the laws in place. It is so horribly corrupt. Personall…

How do local farmers fall into the mix? I buy a cow every year from a local farm - they raise and slaughter the cow and deliver the whole thing butchered and packaged. I much prefer this to anything I could buy at the grocery store.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by jbob2000 »

wccrawford wrote: post #69

As far as I can tell, I'm the target demographic for this. I eat beef (and other meat) burgers because I like how they taste. If this comes close, I'll gladly switch, even though they cost a little more. I'm far from vegetarian, but I've been thinking more and more that I'd like to slim down on my actual meat eating for a few reasons, including the environment, the animal living conditions, and the cholesterol. The o…

I've been eating the Beyond Meat (pea protein) burger from A&W for a while now. It's pretty damn close to the taste of beef, I'm happy to make the switch. It has an aftertaste that some might describe as metallic, but you really have to look for it, it's not that strong.

What shocked me was how much the taste of a burger comes down to texture. There's enough toppings on burgers that you don't really get the beef taste anyways, the patty is really just there for texture!

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by bifrost »

roguecoder wrote: post #29
Mediterraneo10 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed, unless Burger King is using a completely separate grill for the vegetable burgers, some vegetarians/vegans are going to be upset that their vegetable patty was prepared where meat was and possibly exposed to meat, and there could be kosher/halal issues.

This is some of why it is important to distinguish moral food specifications from health-related specification: it takes work for me to eat out anywhere that isn't exclusively vegetarian because meat contamination makes me ill, and restaurants don't understand that, for example, labeling things "vegetarian" when they are fried in the same oil as meat is misleading. Sometimes the grill is well-cleaned and it is fine,…

Bingo! This is basically my problem -> I am a human detector of certain animal proteins in my food, if I ingest them my immune system gets angry. I can't be "oh its fine" about certain things in/ob my food so I tend to like vegan options.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by sgillen »

goda90 wrote: post #41

Here an interesting quote[0] from the founder of Impossible Burger that kind of touches on the meatless vs vegetarian/vegan discussion happening a lot in this thread: "[Before becoming a vegan] I loved putting milk in my coffee and cereal, but plant-based milks don’t work for me so far. No-one is trying very hard to deliver the full experience of what consumers value from milk. We don’t want to follow the course of s…

Ironically I find that I (vegetarian, not vegan) tend to enjoy meat replacements that don't try replicate meat. I find the ones that DO try to replicate meats taste are just not very good at it, and it ends up tasting pretty bad. The good stuff is still tasty and savory but it's doing its own thing.

edit: Not to say the impossible burger can't be good (I've not been able to try one) Just a comment on existing products that I've tried.

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