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Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by IvyMike »

hhs wrote: post #32

I lived in England for a bit and remember fast food places commonly having veggie burgers. This was both in Burger King and McDonald's. It was super convenient for that occasional quick bite. In the US, Burger King has been supplying veggie patties for some time, but I wonder why it took American fast food places so long to expand. For instance, why is there still an absence of veggie burgers in a typical US McDonald…

England had a mad cow scare that kicked off a wider adoption of non-beef alternatives.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by scarmig »

cannonedhamster wrote: post #36
hvs wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's still vegetarian, just maybe not vegan.

It's not vegetarian either if there's meat juice. Vegetarian means they only consume eggs or milk. Meat in the product at all is not meatless. Same reason some beers can't claim to be vegetarian. They need to cook it on a different grill. I'd be surprised if they weren't prepared for this. There's usually two sets of utensils in most places I've seen or they clean the knife prior to cutting.

Most vegetarians don't take the quasi-religious interpretation that coming into contact with another meat product permanently dirties whatever they're eating. Some do, certainly, but not most.

A more general definition of a vegetarian food is food whose ingredients do not purposefully include any product that requires killing an animal to extract it.

Note that the homeopathic definition of vegetarian means that essentially no food is vegetarian, because basically all grains and vegetables include small fauna that are inadvertently incorporated into the ingredient during harvesting.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by GFischer »

chrisco255 wrote: post #74
wccrawford wrote: post #69

As far as I can tell, I'm the target demographic for this. I eat beef (and other meat) burgers because I like how they taste. If this comes close, I'll gladly switch, even though they cost a little more. I'm far from vegetarian, but I've been thinking more and more that I'd like to slim down on my actual meat eating for a few reasons, including the environment, the animal living conditions, and the cholesterol. The o…

As someone raised around cattle ranches, I really don't understand the animal living conditions argument.

Cows have it pretty good (especially in my country Uruguay) - I absolutely understand it when you´re speaking about chicken and fish though.

The one ugly part for cattle is the slaughter, you need to have tough skin to work at a slaughterhouse.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by hnarn »

robertfw wrote: post #60
goda90 wrote: post #41

Here an interesting quote[0] from the founder of Impossible Burger that kind of touches on the meatless vs vegetarian/vegan discussion happening a lot in this thread: "[Before becoming a vegan] I loved putting milk in my coffee and cereal, but plant-based milks don’t work for me so far. No-one is trying very hard to deliver the full experience of what consumers value from milk. We don’t want to follow the course of s…

As an aside, there are quite a few non-dairy creamers that work great for coffee/tea etc, as almond/soy definitely do not work well.

> there are quite a few non-dairy creamers that work great

As someone who has tried a lot of non-dairy creamers, I have yet to find a single one that "works great". There's something very characteristic about both the taste and the consistency of milk and most replacement products are nowhere close. That's not to say milk is irreplaceable for all applications, but there's a tendency to over-hype healthy and organic replacement products that try to be "just as good" because we all want a sustainable, healthy replacement without sacrificing anything at all, but belying reality is hardly going to get us there.

Personally, I feel more attracted to the idea that it's better to do something than nothing at all. You don't have to go vegan tomorrow, if people just ate less meat and started thinking about this type of stuff as a luxury and not a right, we would've come a long way. Personally, milk in my coffee is non-negotiable. Bacon for breakfast? Well, I hardly need it every day, or even every week, so I'm open to discuss frequency.

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Post by bifrost »

standardUser wrote: post #34
bifrost wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not if it has meat juice on it due to how its prepared. I realize some people are willing to be handwavey about it...

I imagine some people are also hand-wavey about the inevitable insect meat they consume in their otherwise vegetarian or vegan diet, or the countless small animals killed in the production of those foods. We all have to draw our lines somewhere I suppose, but let's be realistic about it. Consuming a few specs of beef juice on a vegetarian sandwich is not the same as purchasing or eating meat.

Typically vegans don't eat Honey so most do care. There are a lot of vegans who don't eat products with Palm Oil in them because of how bad it is for habitats. I agree 100% that its not the same but its also not Vegan.

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Post by mrfusion »

chrisco255 wrote: post #74
wccrawford wrote: post #69

As far as I can tell, I'm the target demographic for this. I eat beef (and other meat) burgers because I like how they taste. If this comes close, I'll gladly switch, even though they cost a little more. I'm far from vegetarian, but I've been thinking more and more that I'd like to slim down on my actual meat eating for a few reasons, including the environment, the animal living conditions, and the cholesterol. The o…

As someone raised around cattle ranches, I really don't understand the animal living conditions argument.

Well most of them don’t live on “ranches” for one.

Re: Burger King is rolling out meatless Impossible Whoppers nationwide

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Post by shaklee3 »

RandomInteger4 wrote: post #75

Are these the burgers that bleed for no apparent appetizing reason? If I see my burger bleed, I'm sending it back, because I don't want food poisoning. Not sure how they came up with this nonsense that they think people want to see bloody under cooked ground meat.

The beet juice makes them "bleed", but more than that, it gives them the color of beef. And it turns brown when cooked.

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Post by ALittleLight »

wccrawford wrote: post #69

As far as I can tell, I'm the target demographic for this. I eat beef (and other meat) burgers because I like how they taste. If this comes close, I'll gladly switch, even though they cost a little more. I'm far from vegetarian, but I've been thinking more and more that I'd like to slim down on my actual meat eating for a few reasons, including the environment, the animal living conditions, and the cholesterol. The o…

Same. I tried the impossible burger recently and was pleasantly surprised - it's as good as meat in my view. As a moral matter I will never eat meat when the Impossible variant is available.

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Post by mfatica »

everdev wrote: post #40

I wonder what the cost basis is of an Impossible Burger vs. a beef patty. The meat industry has built up some economies of scale but it's hard to believe that raising and slaughtering cows is the most cost effective way to feed people protein.

I can "buy" a cow from a local farmer and they will raise it and slaughter it and deliver all the meat butchered from the cow. It provides nearly a year's supply of meat, at much lower cost than buying similar amounts from the grocery store. If more people followed suit of buying local farm direct then the whole thing would be better off.
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