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Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Post by coldtea »

2bitencryption wrote: post #14
duxup wrote: post #4

>But online, Xu himself has been virtually erased. >Searches for his name return no result on the Twitter-like Weibo. Any mention of him in the past year has been scrubbed from Baidu, a popular search engine. The speed that they can digitally make someone's name unusable is pretty scary. And this is just for being publicly critical.

Europe: "Citizens have the right to be forgotten." China: "We can and will make you forgotten."

Well, the first is a needed thing (and can benefit the "little man/woman" too). The second is top down only.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Post by AFascistWorld »

gonehome wrote: post #25

I'm currently reading the Three Body Problem by the Chinese Science Fiction writer Liu Cixin. It starts right in the middle of the cultural revolution and does not paint the party in a positive light. It'd be interesting to know why this wasn't censored. I heard something about China being excellent at manufacturing, but having trouble with creating new industries and President Xi noticed that in the west those creat…

The Cultural Revolution is a special one, in which the party itself is the "bigger" victim, so it's kinda okay to criticize it "the right way", many movies and dramas have been made about it.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Post by loufe »

learc83 wrote: post #2

If you're unaware, he was was suspended from his position and banned from leaving because he questioned making Xi leader for life. They are also scrubbing his name from the news and social media. Disappearing him is a very possible next step. Edit: dang I know you've said that vote/flag manipulation wasn't happening in the past when you've looked through the data. But could you provide some insight on why this droppe…

I was just wondering the same thing, seems suspicious.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Post by samfriedman »

potatofarmer45 wrote: post #30

I've NEVER seen a post make it to the top of HN front page and then drop so quickly. It's almost like there is a bot network that detected keywords that may be negative towards the Chinese government and downvoted on masse to bury the story If the data is open, it would be very interesting to see who and how this is being downvoted.

I've anecdotally noticed the same thing, but I have also noticed moderators asking users to refrain from conspiracy comments like this.

I guess we have to trust that the administrators of this site, with full access to account and posting data, would notice if a concerted network of accounts was flagging certain submissions. I'd hope that their findings would be discussed publicly, but until then I don't think there's anything you or I can do to prove that this effect isn't due simply to many HN users disliking China politics stories.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Post by ausjke »

jessaustin wrote: post #16
ausjke wrote: post #8

this is truly an embarrassment

Unfortunately this reads like wishful thinking. [EDIT:] I think there are ninja-edits here?

yes to be honest I should not post the original post, I still need go there for business trips, it's likely they can track me down and deny my visa if they want to, you don't know how powerful and bad they could be, it's lawless there when it comes to individuals. it's a shame, period.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Post by gonehome »

AFascistWorld wrote: post #32
gonehome wrote: post #25

I'm currently reading the Three Body Problem by the Chinese Science Fiction writer Liu Cixin. It starts right in the middle of the cultural revolution and does not paint the party in a positive light. It'd be interesting to know why this wasn't censored. I heard something about China being excellent at manufacturing, but having trouble with creating new industries and President Xi noticed that in the west those creat…

The Cultural Revolution is a special one, in which the party itself is the "bigger" victim, so it's kinda okay to criticize it "the right way", many movies and dramas have been made about it.

How is the party itself the bigger victim? What does it mean to criticize it in the right way?

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Post by chrischen »

potatofarmer45 wrote: post #30

I've NEVER seen a post make it to the top of HN front page and then drop so quickly. It's almost like there is a bot network that detected keywords that may be negative towards the Chinese government and downvoted on masse to bury the story If the data is open, it would be very interesting to see who and how this is being downvoted.

You can’t downvote, stories, but you can down comments.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Post by 0815test »

ausjke wrote: post #35
jessaustin wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately this reads like wishful thinking. [EDIT:] I think there are ninja-edits here?

yes to be honest I should not post the original post, I still need go there for business trips, it's likely they can track me down and deny my visa if they want to, you don't know how powerful and bad they could be, it's lawless there when it comes to individuals. it's a shame, period.

Western countries have in fact denied visas to foreigners who publicly hold "inappropriate" views. Visiting a foreign country is considered a privilege not a right, so it's not something where there's much if any concern about supposed "rights".

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Post by DesiLurker »

_mdlf wrote: post #29

China is setting a dangerous precedent for humanity as a whole. Not caring about what's happening in China is not caring about humanity at all. Whats different from the attrocities committed by organised terror like ISIS when compared to the atrocities committed by Chinese government towards Tibetians, Muslims, Prisoners etc. ? For all the boasting about Privacy, Humanity by Apple it gives away data to Chinese govt f…

This is the thing I worry about, technology is making it easier to speak up against the power but its also making much easier to quash any rebellion before it gathers steam. Autocratic empires like china are using technology quite efficiently to do this. God only helps us if an AGI or near AGI gets into the hand of a regime like this before anybody else.

Re: Tsinghua law professor who criticized Xi Jinping barred from leaving China

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Post by analyst74 »

gonehome wrote: post #36
AFascistWorld wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Cultural Revolution is a special one, in which the party itself is the "bigger" victim, so it's kinda okay to criticize it "the right way", many movies and dramas have been made about it.

How is the party itself the bigger victim? What does it mean to criticize it in the right way?

Cultural revolution was a political maneuver by Mao to suppress his competitors, he won that battle, but not the war. People he sidelined came back in power after he passed away, the biggest one being Deng Xiaoping.
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