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Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Re: Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Post by toomuchtodo »

rootusrootus wrote: post #6

I just rented a P3D a couple weeks ago for a weekend, and I agree with the review, it would spank an M3. Hell, it would even spank my Camaro. But it's not a driver's car. Steering is numb, handling is competent but it's a very heavy car, seats are disapointing as hell. I was impressed, but not enough to drop 60 grand. And to be honest, between an M3 and a P3D, I'd probably still choose the M3. It really, really depen…

If you're going to track it, you're not going to mind ripping out the seats and putting something more sporty in with a five point harness. The vehicle is heavier, but adjusting to it would be similar (IMHO) to adjusting to sports cars with a mid engine layout.

Re: Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Post by jdhn »

rootusrootus wrote: post #6

I just rented a P3D a couple weeks ago for a weekend, and I agree with the review, it would spank an M3. Hell, it would even spank my Camaro. But it's not a driver's car. Steering is numb, handling is competent but it's a very heavy car, seats are disapointing as hell. I was impressed, but not enough to drop 60 grand. And to be honest, between an M3 and a P3D, I'd probably still choose the M3. It really, really depen…

I'm not surprised it would spank a Camaro, the Tesla is AWD while the Camaro is RWD. Shame to hear about the seats though, I'd think that Tesla would put in some Recaros at least to give it more of a sporty feel.

Re: Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Post by heartofgold »

Silhouette wrote: post #16
Judgmentality wrote: post #8

I admittedly haven't watched the video yet (although I plan to and will update my comment), but as someone who really wants to love an EV, the technology just isn't there for me yet. The range is not nearly enough for me. Yes, 300 miles is not enough. Just this weekend I drove between LA and SF twice, and while I had to stop and get gas it took me 5 minutes instead of however long it would take me to charge the car e…

I agree with the basic sentiment that EVs have potential but aren't quite there yet. One issue that I've seen raised a few times now is how honest the environmental credentials of these EVs really are. Sure, you aren't emitting pollution from your petrol/diesel engine as you drive. However, you have the emissions from whatever electricity source you use for charging instead, which obviously depends on how environment…

If you want to look at it that way, you also should include the emissions/environment impact included in acquiring the oil, building refineries, the emissions during the refinery process, and the shipment of the fuel around the country.

https://cleantechnica.com/2018/02/19/electric-car-well-to-wh...

And with electric cars, the ongoing CO2 emissions can be limited by where you get your charge. If you have solar for example, your not contributing any additional emissions beyond what it took to produce your solar setup. With an internal combustion engine, you don't really have much choice on how your fuel is produced.

Re: Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

ynniv wrote: post #20
TaylorAlexander wrote: post #5

In this test performed by the show host (not a professional driver) the Tesla Model 3 won for 1/4 mile, 0-100-0, and the hot lap. The BMW M3 was deemed “more fun to drift”. Looks good for the Tesla!

I'm not sure it really won the spirit of the 0-100-0. Yes it completed the task faster, but it also required more distance, implying that it takes significantly longer to brake. A quick search suggests this is a known Model 3 weakness. Edit: It would have been more honest to have one test of acceleration and another of only braking. Also, the Tesla won the hot-lap but had significant body roll that made it difficult…

A quick lookup of the curb weight and the OEM spec'd tires would also indicate this.

Re: Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Post by dplgk »

rootusrootus wrote: post #6

I just rented a P3D a couple weeks ago for a weekend, and I agree with the review, it would spank an M3. Hell, it would even spank my Camaro. But it's not a driver's car. Steering is numb, handling is competent but it's a very heavy car, seats are disapointing as hell. I was impressed, but not enough to drop 60 grand. And to be honest, between an M3 and a P3D, I'd probably still choose the M3. It really, really depen…

I'm only aware of Model S, 3, X and Y. What's P3D?

Re: Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Post by dragontamer »

drm237 wrote: post #18
dragontamer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I believe that plug-in hybrids will last much longer than people expect. I know most techno-geeks think that PHEVs (Plugin Hybrid Electric Vehicles) are "stop-gap" technologies.... but they solve the range problem AND solve the "batteries are heavy" problem very elegantly. Lets be frank: Li-Ion batteries may have gotten dramatically lighter, but they're no where close to how light gasoline is. PHEVs allow…

This seems unlikely given that the Volt has been canceled and much of the momentum is moving towards electric only platforms, even from the major manufacturers.

The technology for the Volt still exists. Rumors are that an SUV-version of the Volt is coming (just like the electric-SUV version of the Mustang is allegedly in the works).

Sedan marketplace is shrinking, SUVs are growing. GM doesn't want to waste its hybrid technology, but also doesn't want to bet on the Sedan market anymore.

EDIT: Note that a 20-mile range PHEV (the typical one) is insufficient. 50-mile range PHEV seem to be the sweet spot for me.

Re: Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

soared wrote: post #2

Does anyone trust topgear for actual reviews, especially when tesla is involved? The courts literally ruled that you shouldn't: > Mr Justice Tugendhat said that no Top Gear viewer would have reasonably compared the car's performance on the show's airfield track to its likely performance on a public road https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Gear_controversies#Tesla_R...

Top gear is automotive themed entertainment, not automotive entertainment. Much to the dismay of many a Hilux fanboy you really shouldn't be taking shows like this as indicative of fact any more than you take that gold mining show on discovery as indicative of the economics of the mining industry.

Re: Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #21
rootusrootus wrote: post #6

I just rented a P3D a couple weeks ago for a weekend, and I agree with the review, it would spank an M3. Hell, it would even spank my Camaro. But it's not a driver's car. Steering is numb, handling is competent but it's a very heavy car, seats are disapointing as hell. I was impressed, but not enough to drop 60 grand. And to be honest, between an M3 and a P3D, I'd probably still choose the M3. It really, really depen…

If you're going to track it, you're not going to mind ripping out the seats and putting something more sporty in with a five point harness. The vehicle is heavier, but adjusting to it would be similar (IMHO) to adjusting to sports cars with a mid engine layout.

Nobody is expecting racing buckets but you shouldn't be disappointed in the stock seats in a 60k vehicle.

Re: Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Post by ssheth »

dplgk wrote: post #25
rootusrootus wrote: post #6

I just rented a P3D a couple weeks ago for a weekend, and I agree with the review, it would spank an M3. Hell, it would even spank my Camaro. But it's not a driver's car. Steering is numb, handling is competent but it's a very heavy car, seats are disapointing as hell. I was impressed, but not enough to drop 60 grand. And to be honest, between an M3 and a P3D, I'd probably still choose the M3. It really, really depen…

I'm only aware of Model S, 3, X and Y. What's P3D?

Model 3 (Performance Series (more HP) w. All-Wheel Drive)

Re: Tesla Model 3 vs. BMW M3 [video]

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Post by rootusrootus »

dplgk wrote: post #25
rootusrootus wrote: post #6

I just rented a P3D a couple weeks ago for a weekend, and I agree with the review, it would spank an M3. Hell, it would even spank my Camaro. But it's not a driver's car. Steering is numb, handling is competent but it's a very heavy car, seats are disapointing as hell. I was impressed, but not enough to drop 60 grand. And to be honest, between an M3 and a P3D, I'd probably still choose the M3. It really, really depen…

I'm only aware of Model S, 3, X and Y. What's P3D?

It's not an official designation, it is informal lingo for the Model 3 Performance. It's a riff on the P##D system that Tesla uses for the Model S.
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