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Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

#92
My discipline comes from a lifetime of sports and has carried over to my work life (even though I now do martial arts as a hobbyist instead of competing as a college athlete); many of these can be read as workout / health points but are actually applicable across your life.

It starts from the long-term goal: if you want to be extraordinary, you need to do things differently than the ordinary. People are going to give you a hard time about some of the changes you're making, so you need to be ready to ignore them and accept the fact that if you want to have a different level of discipline than others you need to do things differently.

Discipline is compound interest in your life - you are doing the little things the right way every day, and all those pennies are eventually going to add up into millions. This applies to food, working out, pushing on projects, learning new skills etc.

The best advice is to make it easy for yourself - pick a FEW, SIMPLE, things that you can control and start from there. Stop eating the same snack or having a glass of wine after work. Start waking up at 6 am. Then evolve to going to the gym from there. Build habits.

You also need to accept that you're not perfect, and no man is an island. This part was the hardest for me - I built up walls around myself (thinking that I needed to keep my habits exactly as they were since they had gotten me this far) and thus cut off opportunities and other people. Eventually I was able to be a bit more chilled out while still keeping the discipline in the right areas. I found that 7 habits of highly successful people really helped me; I also recommend "Wooden on Leadership" and "The Score Takes Care of Itself" as examples of champions putting this bottoms-up approach into practice over years and reaping the rewards.

There is no shortcut. There is nothing fancy. Control what you can control, don't worry about the rest of it, and trust in the process. Feel free to message me if I can be helpful

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

#94
I would like to add my 2 cents here :

1. If you want to do something but not able to do anything about it, maybe its not something you "want" to do. It's like swimming against the tide, it'll always be hard. So, instead find something you "want" to do. For ex: deep down you might enjoy painting, but looking at an article on how some programmer made millions by selling his startup, you might be tempted to try your hand at coding. But no matter how much you motivate yourself, your mind will continue to resist when the implementation phase comes, as, deep down, that's not what you are interested in.

2. When you start a project, don't spend too much of time on planning/research. Any project you start, try to finish atleast the most important parts of it while your initial enthusiasm lasts. If you spend most of your initial enthusiasm on planning/research and other stuff, you'll have little energy left for implementation. Start and course correct along the way.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

#95
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You don't. In the long run, you build a habit. Discipline is a short term solution to stick with something long enough to become a habit. How do you "stay disciplined" to brush your teeth every day? Chances are you just do it without thinking much about it. You don't hem and haw and read a bunch of motivational memes to gather up the willpower to brush your teeth. It's just something you automatically do. I highly re…

I also read atomic habits recently. I found it really helpful for these types of problems. As the author says, accomplishing things is brought by building good systems and forming automatic habits. Not by fighting urges off left and right.

I started going to the gym again after a few years off. It was really hard at 1st to simply keep my gym schedule. Now, I go to the gym no matter what because it's simply what I do.

I do think, however, that books like these should be re-read from time to time to reinforce/rekindle the habit building machine.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

#96
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I'm convinced that almost nobody is good at the whole cycle of creating/maintaining something. Some people are great at coming up with new ideas but quickly bore with the implementation. Some people can relentlessly improve on an existing thing but can't come up with the initial idea. Some people are great stewards of an established program but don't thrive in the chaos of rapid iteration. I think instead of trying t…

Love this insightful comment. Me personally, I am a "status quo" person. It's my greatest strength and my greatest weakness. I'm the kind of person who can take an old used car and keep it going forever. It never gets fully restored but it doesn't get any worse, either. It may even get a little better over time with some new gauges and hi-end replacement parts.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

#97
I'm on and off again on my project, Vidcap. What keeps me going is that I actually use the product that I build. I see the issues with it and then get fed up that it's not fixed.

What I end up doing is just simply opening the editor, write down some notes on what I like to be done, and just work on it. Once you start, your body takes over. Its just getting to that point that's the problem.

Same thing with music for me. I want to have a stage show next year, but I need to learn the guitar to make it happen. I bought a portable guitar and bring it with me most places (since its getting nice out). Whenever I think of that stage show, I bring out the guitar and start working on it. What would be 5 mins of playing almost always turns to 30+ mins.

So, what I would say is do 2 things -

1. Think about the project that you want to work on. Just simply being aware that the time you spend playing games or watching TV you could be working on something. Heck, I have the TV on while coding and guitar practice.

2. Do something about it. Say to yourself "Let me do this for 15 mins". Those minutes usually double and triple.

(BONUS)

When I really need the pep talk and motivation, I listen to those motivational channels on Youtube. My favorite one is of Arnold Schwarzenegger talking about how he became who he was. It definitely wasn't hard work. You don't need to listen to him. You can find plenty of those types of videos in your field. Whatever it takes to get that jolt of energy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoXYe9e01_Y

Goodluck!

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

#98
My goal is simple: Make a platform called "Nocode", which helps non-programmers to control their application. No vendor lock-in anymore.

More generally, try to avoid "hype", instead, make yourself a goal which is good enough to save you and others from pain of code debts.

I hate code. It's the worst thing a person could do (though people do it forcely or for passion).

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

#99
As a general impression, it sounds like you might be putting too much stock in external validation instead of looking within, and then losing interest when society or your peers neglect to keep it coming your way. To answer your question, here is my specific methodology for long term personal projects.

1) Do some work on it every day if possible so as not to lose my train of thought. Even if it's only a tiny amount of progress, it all adds up. Expect it to feel like a chore some of the time.

2) Don't let myself start a new project until I've brought the current one to a satisfactory conclusion (by some definition). For you that could mean a minimum viable product, or if you've gone off the idea, then it could mean documenting your efforts to an adequate standard for someone else theoretically to continue it.

3) For something like exercise or personal fitness, I choose a routine calibrated far enough below the ceiling of my endurance that it feels easy most days but on the worst day out of a month I'm glad it isn't any tougher. Then notch it up monthly by the smallest possible increment.

Re: Ask HN: How do you stay disciplined in the long run?

#100
Discipline helps us to achieve certain goals according to a specific and highly effective plan.

For me:

- You should determine the long-term goal to achieve.

- Determine the benefits of achieving this goal and what you can lose (time, money, energy, comfortable, ...) when you achieve your goals (good mental preparation).

- Plan short-term goals and it is important to make small plans to complete (that's the biggest motivational way).

- Consider and evaluate the plan regularly.

- Follow the plan to create a habit, this process is difficult, if you change yourself, you must overcome it.

- Finally, you can share what you have accomplished with friends, colleagues, or through blogs. Since then get comments to improve the plan and create energy for yourself.

My cycle: goal -> value achieved -> motivation -> plan -> habits -> share.

ps: Small simple things will create great happiness.

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