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Re: Anti-vaxxer leaflet found inserted in book sold by Amazon

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Post by modzu » Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

shaki-dora wrote: post #16

modzu wrote: post #5

a perfect opportunity to start a conversation with her coming-of-age son about critical thinking and how to make informed decisions. ignorant ideas and opinions are everywhere. the best defense is being capable of logical reasoning. it's also important that we are exposed and open to ideas that challenge our beliefs. wisdom begins in doubt.

By that logic, no propaganda could ever have any negative impact. We should therefore put fliers with all sorts of maybe just random text, or even a sampling of the most vile hate speech we can find into every book sold. Then, we sit back and watch the world improve. Because a thousand monkeys with typewriters may not be Shakespeare, but they are a learning opportunity.

what do you mean "by that logic"? i can't even follow your argument.

Re: Anti-vaxxer leaflet found inserted in book sold by Amazon

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Post by dragonwriter » Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 4:27 PM UTC

yumraj wrote: post #20

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is it not possible for some of those affected by the recent measles outbreak, and others adversely impacted, to file a class action against the anti-vaxxers? Against anti-vaxxers as a group? Doubtful. Against the patient zero who got you sick? Maybe. Against those distributing literature? Particularly if they're making money from the enterprise? Probably the best bet. (Nitpick: anyone can sue anyone for anything. I…

I think there are some organisations and individuals who are kinda like flag bearers.

The flag bearers are probably engaging in Constitutionally protected free speech, and do probably can't be held liable in that role.

Re: Anti-vaxxer leaflet found inserted in book sold by Amazon

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Post by xvector » Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 4:30 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #22

yumraj wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there are some organisations and individuals who are kinda like flag bearers.

The flag bearers are probably engaging in Constitutionally protected free speech, and do probably can't be held liable in that role.

Genuine question: Is telling people to commit suicide protected free speech? AVers aren’t much different here.

Rather than saying “kill yourself”, it’s more like saying “kill yourself - slowly, infectiously, and painfully.”

Re: Anti-vaxxer leaflet found inserted in book sold by Amazon

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Post by AstralStorm » Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 4:31 PM UTC

wlesieutre wrote: post #14

mprev wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are other circumstances in which you might not have had the vaccination, such as when undergoing chemotherapy. In those cases, herd immunity would provide protection for those who can't be get the vaccination themselves.

In chemotherapy you probably would have had the vaccination, but the vaccination works by training your own immune system against it, and chemo wipes your immune system out.

If it is this bad you should be staying in a cleanroom. It sometimes is this bad.

Re: Anti-vaxxer leaflet found inserted in book sold by Amazon

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Post by CharlesColeman » Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 4:38 PM UTC

My understanding is that Amazon commingles FBA inventory from different Amazon marketplace sellers with their own, so maybe this leaflet ultimately came from an Amazon Marketplace Seller, even if the book wasn't directly ordered from them.

Re: Anti-vaxxer leaflet found inserted in book sold by Amazon

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Post by bluGill » Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 4:41 PM UTC

AstralStorm wrote: post #24

wlesieutre wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In chemotherapy you probably would have had the vaccination, but the vaccination works by training your own immune system against it, and chemo wipes your immune system out.

If it is this bad you should be staying in a cleanroom. It sometimes is this bad.

There is a point after chemo when you are building your life back up. You are allowed in public, but only in lower risk areas.

Re: Anti-vaxxer leaflet found inserted in book sold by Amazon

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Post by Piskvorrr » Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 4:49 PM UTC

thatfrenchguy wrote: post #4

yumraj wrote: post #3

Perhaps some lawyers here can opine: Is it not possible for some of those affected by the recent measles outbreak, and others adversely impacted, to file a class action against the anti-vaxxers ? Call me paranoid, but lately I've been thinking about getting the MMR as an adult who is in mid 40s - and I'm pissed. So, I can't even imagine what someone who is directly impacted might be feeling.

Aren't you only affected by the measles outbreak if you're an anti-vax in the first place... ?

Or too young, or immunodeficient, or your vaccination expired (some of the older models only provide some decades of immunity, where a lifetime protection was expected) etc. Nope, this is not "mere" self-harm: innocent bystanders have already been killed this way.

Re: Anti-vaxxer leaflet found inserted in book sold by Amazon

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Post by gus_massa » Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 4:52 PM UTC

angel_j wrote: post #10

Who gatekeeps the front page? How does inane crap like this get up here, with only 11 upvotes?

The order in the front page is essentially points/age^2. (The exact details are elsewhere [1].)

This post has less than an hour, so the priority is 11/1^2=11

The third post is currently https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19778023 that has 98 points in 3 hour, so the priority is 98/3^3=10.9

So ... probably just a weird order when the story is too young, let it age and drop.

[1] The exact formula is something like (poins-1)/(age+1)^1.6 or something like that. points/age^2 is a not very bad approximation, but it's much easier to calculate by hand. There are also flags and penalties applied automatically, by the mods and by the users. (The exact details are elsewhere.)

Re: Anti-vaxxer leaflet found inserted in book sold by Amazon

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Post by Piskvorrr » Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 4:53 PM UTC

AstralStorm wrote: post #24

wlesieutre wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In chemotherapy you probably would have had the vaccination, but the vaccination works by training your own immune system against it, and chemo wipes your immune system out.

If it is this bad you should be staying in a cleanroom. It sometimes is this bad.

Is this your advice for pregnancy and infants, too?

Re: Anti-vaxxer leaflet found inserted in book sold by Amazon

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Post by true_religion » Mon, Apr 29, 2019, 5:16 PM UTC

xvector wrote: post #23

dragonwriter wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The flag bearers are probably engaging in Constitutionally protected free speech, and do probably can't be held liable in that role.

Genuine question: Is telling people to commit suicide protected free speech? AVers aren’t much different here. Rather than saying “kill yourself”, it’s more like saying “kill yourself - slowly, infectiously, and painfully.”

You can tell people to commit suicide if you have no malicious intent. For example if you think by dying you will go to a better place, then that's fine.

Antivaxxers genuinely believe that vacinations cause illness. That they are wrong doesn't make their speech illegal.