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Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by latchkey »

In 2009, I brought the idea of using github up on the members@ list and was called a troll. Agreed, at the time, the message was trolling...

https://imgur.com/a/JPQtCQ4

I brought it up again later in 2010 and 2011 on the members@ list too. Lots of discussion with the general consensus that it wouldn't happen because it isn't an 'open' platform.

I even wrote a blog post about it in 2011, which was also discussed on members@ and in the blog comments...

http://lookfirst.com/2011/11/contributing-to-open-source.htm...

Even though it took 10 years, I'm glad to see it finally happen.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by johannes1234321 »

johannes1234321 wrote: post #36
snazz wrote: post #8

It confuses me why so many traditionally pro-FOSS projects move to a not-free-nor-open tool like GitHub. Do they think that they’ll get enough new contributors this way to offset the (more than slight) irony?

When we moved PHP to git we made sure we have our own infrastructure and keep our control there. Reality however is that people love doing "pull requests" on the GitHub mirror and use git.php.net only as push target.

And if anybody looks at git.php.net and thinks "well ugly, no wonder we anybody isn't using it" that's true. And moving to self-hosted GitLab was brought up, but won't solve it. We still have many pass-by PRs from people who wouldn't submit if it was on GitHub.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by svnpenn »

nimbius wrote: post #51
atonse wrote: post #9

I found this title very confusing. I thought it was the equivalent of their non-profit being absorbed by GitHub. Meaning, the corporate structure." Why don't they just say that Apache will officially host their repositories on GitHub moving forward?

Because the writer, Bryan Clark, is Director of Product for OSS Maintainers and is trying to contextualize the move to feature the company he works for, not the code thats been around for far longer. "apache moves to github" makes it sound like apache made a rote and boring switch, which this sort of is. They just as easily could have moved to sourceforge or gitlab. joining a team has implications that github (c) wor…

> while it certainly hosts a lot of it, github isnt open source.

Yep. This was something that surprised me

https://github.com/github/markup/issues/1266#issuecomment-48...

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by svnpenn »

meddlepal wrote: post #34
snazz wrote: post #8

It confuses me why so many traditionally pro-FOSS projects move to a not-free-nor-open tool like GitHub. Do they think that they’ll get enough new contributors this way to offset the (more than slight) irony?

The number of hard line FOSS folks is really quite small. Personally I would be hard pressed to bother contributing to a project not on GitHub at this point. There is a certain workflow and interaction model that GitHub projects use that non-GitHub ones do not and it is simply not worth the time investment to learn those other projects. Not only that but it allows me to easily point at my work and go "I did that" whe…

This is simply not true. While I strongly agree that GitHub has the current "best" workflow, other styles do get the job done.

The Git project itself, the Cygwin project and Gawk project all use primarily mailing lists. Again while I prefer the GitHub system all 3 of these projects are responsive to emails and changes are made quickly.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by meddlepal »

svnpenn wrote: post #64
meddlepal wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of hard line FOSS folks is really quite small. Personally I would be hard pressed to bother contributing to a project not on GitHub at this point. There is a certain workflow and interaction model that GitHub projects use that non-GitHub ones do not and it is simply not worth the time investment to learn those other projects. Not only that but it allows me to easily point at my work and go "I did that" whe…

This is simply not true. While I strongly agree that GitHub has the current "best" workflow, other styles do get the job done. The Git project itself, the Cygwin project and Gawk project all use primarily mailing lists. Again while I prefer the GitHub system all 3 of these projects are responsive to emails and changes are made quickly.

What exactly is not true about my entirely personal statement? I simply find barrier to entry for non-GitHub projects to be too high for me to bother.

Great if you disagree and I'm sure there are some others, but I would be willing to be you're the minority.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by cr0sh »

meddlepal wrote: post #34
snazz wrote: post #8

It confuses me why so many traditionally pro-FOSS projects move to a not-free-nor-open tool like GitHub. Do they think that they’ll get enough new contributors this way to offset the (more than slight) irony?

The number of hard line FOSS folks is really quite small. Personally I would be hard pressed to bother contributing to a project not on GitHub at this point. There is a certain workflow and interaction model that GitHub projects use that non-GitHub ones do not and it is simply not worth the time investment to learn those other projects. Not only that but it allows me to easily point at my work and go "I did that" whe…

> Personally I would be hard pressed to bother contributing to a project not on GitHub at this point.

Though I wonder if "homogenous ecosystem" effects/issues could rear their ugly head...just a random thought.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by protomyth »

bredren wrote: post #59
protomyth wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The various Apache tribes.

I had not thought about the naming of Apache the software despite it describing so many "Native American people inhabiting the southwest United States and northern Mexico." I also realize now the use of a feather as the logo. Previous HN discussion on the Apache software relationship with the Apache people: Apache Rewrites History: Why is it Named “Apache”? [2013] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5536134

I participated in that discussion, and it was a scummy rewrite of history then. As far as I can tell, they have no relationship to any of the various Apache tribes.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by giancarlostoro »

neurotrace wrote: post #67
liveoneggs wrote: post #24

I hope projects will get rid of JIRA now!

I recently moved to a company that uses Jira. What kinds of problems should I be looking out for?

Issues with JIRA are mostly seen as you use it for different companies and projects. Everyone sets it up differently. It is like Excel for ticketing. I didnt care much for Trac in comparison but I can appreciate that the UI always remained consistent.
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