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Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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Re: Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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post #8

I wonder if they're also removing the apps used to control women's lives in Saudi Arabia.

While the apps are atrocious. The apps from what I csn tell are just front ends for websites and services being offered. They don’t do anything on the phone itself that takes advantage of special permissions.

Of course they should remove them too.

Re: Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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FTA: "The controversy follows comments last week by chief executive Tim Cook, who said that Apple wanted to see customers spend less time on their devices." Talk is cheap and sells well...

Apple doesn't make money from you spending all day on your phone. They would be fine if everybody would buy a phone, maybe a couple of apps, and set aside until there was a need.

You are mistaking them for Facebook or any of the other engagement-driven, ad-selling companies.

Re: Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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post #7

Isn't a child's phone a managed device? Using MDM for parental control seems entirely appropriate.

Yes and you’re free to get a real MDM solution where you control the profile. The other half is the VPN software. If people are so concerned with their child’s well being, how are they comfortable installing third party VPN software that can record, track and use your data?

Re: Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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post #8

I wonder if they're also removing the apps used to control women's lives in Saudi Arabia.

While the apps are atrocious. The apps from what I csn tell are just front ends for websites and services being offered. They don’t do anything on the phone itself that takes advantage of special permissions. Of course they should remove them too.

I don't support the way women are treated in SA, but I don't really see why Apple should get to be the global moral police. Those applications are presumably perfectly legal where they are used.

Re: Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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This is...a very weird situation.

> “Over the last year, we became aware that several of these parental control apps were using a highly invasive technology called Mobile Device Management, or MDM.

> “MDM gives a third-party control and access over a device and its most sensitive information, including user location, app use, email accounts, camera permissions, and browsing history.”

They make this sound like MDM is some scary third-party attack on their platform, neglecting to point out MDM is a system they designed. There's always been some schizophrenia from Apple around MDM (publicize new control features to admins in one release, add a big scary vague user-facing warning when that feature is actually used in the next release), but their general stance has consistently been that you, as a company, have a right to enforce whatever restrictions are available on devices used by your employees so long as you own them, and so long as you accept whatever user-disclosure features they decide to implement. Likewise, you have a right to enforce a more limited suite of controls on your employee's personal devices, so long as it's all opt-in.

I would presume any parent intending to enforce restrictions on a child's device also purchased that device. So Apple's stance here is really that parents should have less control over their children's devices than employers have over those of their employees? Or are they really talking about some exploit of the MDM framework? Because the way it's phrased here clearly seems to be framing MDM in general as a nefarious tool.

Re: Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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I find the decision of the scorned developers to file with the European Union’s competition office amusing considering the Union's incredibly strong stance on individual data privacy. iPhones contain so much personal data on-device that Apple is absolutely responsible for protecting that data from illegitimate access. Using MDM which is clearly intended for enterprise management is an illegitimate use-case. Period. T…

Why not let the users decide, do Apple consider the users incompetent ?

Edit: Is Apple offering similar applications? if yes are they using private APIs to implement the features?

Re: Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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post #7

Isn't a child's phone a managed device? Using MDM for parental control seems entirely appropriate.

The issue is who controls the MDM profile. In the case of these apps it's the app developers instead of the parents.

So by using it, you're giving some complete strangers access to snoop on everything in your child's phone. Even if you trust the developer not to abuse that, you're trusting them to keep their own systems secure and to not hire an employee who might abuse it. We know how that worked out for the NSA where they had people using their surveillance programs to snoop on exes.

If you want to use MDM to manage your child's phone, the way to do that is with a service where you manage the MDM yourself like a company would do with their fleet of phones, not to hand the keys off to an untrusted third party.

Re: Apple Defends Decision to Remove Parental Control Apps

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I find the decision of the scorned developers to file with the European Union’s competition office amusing considering the Union's incredibly strong stance on individual data privacy. iPhones contain so much personal data on-device that Apple is absolutely responsible for protecting that data from illegitimate access. Using MDM which is clearly intended for enterprise management is an illegitimate use-case. Period. T…

Whatever Europe's crazy data privacy laws, it's ridiculous they'd apply to the case of a parent keeping track of their kids. The kid's right to wander into crazy elsagate videos and have covert online conversations with predators unsupervised is more important than the parent's right to protect their kid, and Apple is justified in ripping the monitoring capability out of parents' hands? Is that what you're saying?

Hopefully the parents either switch to Android if such a thing is still possible on Android or just get them flip phones with no data plan intended only for emergency calls. Where they can get a list of sent/received calls at the end of the month from the cellphone company at least, I assume.

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