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Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by chii »

atonse wrote: post #10
snazz wrote: post #8

It confuses me why so many traditionally pro-FOSS projects move to a not-free-nor-open tool like GitHub. Do they think that they’ll get enough new contributors this way to offset the (more than slight) irony?

Better participation. A lot more people know how to use GitHub's tools. It'll likely increase the amount of development, participation, pull requests, etc that ASF projects get. Does it matter that GitHub themselves is not open source?

while that's true, a big project like apache could push gitlab instead, as that's _more_ free and open-source.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by batbomb »

snazz wrote: post #8

It confuses me why so many traditionally pro-FOSS projects move to a not-free-nor-open tool like GitHub. Do they think that they’ll get enough new contributors this way to offset the (more than slight) irony?

Well, they've been using Jira forever.

Usually when people say this they are referring to either Gitlab or Gitea. Well, it's not like all of Gitlab is fully open source, it's just Open Core, but I'm sure that's a sizable amount of the code, but I would imagine there's a decent chunk of gitlab.com source code that's proprietary (I'm sure somebody will quibble with this in a following comment, but the original argument is an argument of purism of being free and open).

Gitlab CE and Gitea doesn't solve the hosting issue, though of course Apache could probably pay somebody to manage that, but then you've introduced extra overhead for collaboration that most people aren't that inclined to solve.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by dijit »

batbomb wrote: post #22
snazz wrote: post #8

It confuses me why so many traditionally pro-FOSS projects move to a not-free-nor-open tool like GitHub. Do they think that they’ll get enough new contributors this way to offset the (more than slight) irony?

Well, they've been using Jira forever. Usually when people say this they are referring to either Gitlab or Gitea. Well, it's not like all of Gitlab is fully open source, it's just Open Core, but I'm sure that's a sizable amount of the code, but I would imagine there's a decent chunk of gitlab.com source code that's proprietary (I'm sure somebody will quibble with this in a following comment, but the original argument…

> Well, it's not like all of Gitlab is fully open source.

I think this is not a fair assessment, GitLabs community edition is fully open source and is a full product. The fact you can add proprietary elements for a licensing fee (which are also "open" in that they are readable, debuggable, etc;) is not at all the same as hosting on a platform which is entirely proprietary.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by robbyt »

atonse wrote: post #10
snazz wrote: post #8

It confuses me why so many traditionally pro-FOSS projects move to a not-free-nor-open tool like GitHub. Do they think that they’ll get enough new contributors this way to offset the (more than slight) irony?

Better participation. A lot more people know how to use GitHub's tools. It'll likely increase the amount of development, participation, pull requests, etc that ASF projects get. Does it matter that GitHub themselves is not open source?

And a likely increase of people posting "+1" comments on bugs...

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by batbomb »

dijit wrote: post #23
batbomb wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they've been using Jira forever. Usually when people say this they are referring to either Gitlab or Gitea. Well, it's not like all of Gitlab is fully open source, it's just Open Core, but I'm sure that's a sizable amount of the code, but I would imagine there's a decent chunk of gitlab.com source code that's proprietary (I'm sure somebody will quibble with this in a following comment, but the original argument…

> Well, it's not like all of Gitlab is fully open source. I think this is not a fair assessment, GitLabs community edition is fully open source and is a full product. The fact you can add proprietary elements for a licensing fee (which are also "open" in that they are readable, debuggable, etc;) is not at all the same as hosting on a platform which is entirely proprietary.

You are also not being fair to github then - you can run Github Enterprise Server and it is also "open" in that it's readable (non-obfuscated), debuggable, etc... It's basically a snapshot of what they run at github.com with added features for enterprise (like AD integration). You can't distribute the code.

How easy it is to actually do that depends on your ruby skills and your wallet.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by linuxftw »

dijit wrote: post #23
batbomb wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they've been using Jira forever. Usually when people say this they are referring to either Gitlab or Gitea. Well, it's not like all of Gitlab is fully open source, it's just Open Core, but I'm sure that's a sizable amount of the code, but I would imagine there's a decent chunk of gitlab.com source code that's proprietary (I'm sure somebody will quibble with this in a following comment, but the original argument…

> Well, it's not like all of Gitlab is fully open source. I think this is not a fair assessment, GitLabs community edition is fully open source and is a full product. The fact you can add proprietary elements for a licensing fee (which are also "open" in that they are readable, debuggable, etc;) is not at all the same as hosting on a platform which is entirely proprietary.

I feel the same. If Gitlab released the community edition as MIT license (not sure what the license is offhand) with no proprietary version, there's nothing stopping some 3rd party from creating proprietary versions/extensions of their own product.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by Macha »

idoubtit wrote: post #19
joking wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why is that?

I suppose it is because of the feud between OpenOffice (Apache) and LibreOffice (Document Foundation). For years, OpenOffice has been Apache's most downloaded project[1]. But it is only because of the past glory of this name when Sun promoted it, and by confusion with LibreOffice. When Apache was given OpenOffice by Oracle, they let the code rot, with just a few dozens commits a year. IIRC, their strict access polici…

I'm pretty sure Tomcat and the Apache HTTPd get more downloads than that, it's just harder to measure as they usually come from package repositories for various Linux distros or homebrew.

Re: Apache Software Foundation joins GitHub open source community

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Post by paule89 »

So the "Open Apache Graveyard" is moving to github, for better visibility, interaction, and where the users are.

Thats a good move. Although most of the software from the "Open Apache Graveyard" like OpenOffice and others is kinda dead already.

Just my very biased IMHO.

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