Live data from Hacker News

Coffee Cups Are Next

bloomberg.com

191–200 of 447 posts

Re: Coffee Cups Are Next

#191
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's worth pointing out that the obvious alternative, reusable to-go cups, need to solve an additional set of challenges: - Must NOT violate sanitization of the work area; cups provided by customers should not pose any health risks to workers or other customers. - Should be durable enough to survive repeated visits - Either the reusable cup must conform to a standard size, baristas need a way to measure liquids consi…

From what I've read the reusables have to be used ~70 times to be more environmentally friendly than the current disposables. I think the easiest win would be designating between sit down and take out customers. Sit down customers could be given porcelain or some other washable container. However this would increase labor costs for businesses so you don't automatically get a free win.

> reusables have to be used ~70 times to be more environmentally friendly than the current disposables

Another commenter linked to a research paper [1] that includes this number. It's worth noting a few things:

* This was comparing ceramic mugs versus disposable cups. They assumed that reusable plastic cups would be more favorable (but did not opine on travel mugs, which are the more reasonable substitute among to-go customers).

* The study was done by Starbucks, among other organizations (may have a bias to make disposable paper look not-so-bad).

* Another study apparently showed 1,000 use threshold, but the author of the below-linked paper considered that study to insufficiently account for all of the costs of paper cups (deforestation, etc.).

full text:

* There has been a long-standing debate over the comparative energy-efficiencies of disposable products and reusable dishware. A study that is frequently cited is one conducted by Martin Hocking, a professor at The University of Victoria in British Columbia. Hocking (1994) reports that one would have to use a reusable cup as much as 1,000 times in order to justify the higher energy requirement during production. Yet this study omits the impacts of deforestation, transportation, packaging, and disposal; a more complete picture is needed to truly debate the environmental costs of disposable versus reusable cups. Starbucks teamed up with the Alliance for Environmental Innovation to more accurately compare the two, naming reusable products the more environmentally-friendly option (Alliance for Environmental Innovation, 2000). Their study found that using ceramic mugs in place of disposable cups would reduce resource consumption and pollution to an astounding extent, even including the impacts of manufacturing, use, and dishwashing.*

1: http://www.recyclingadvocates.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/03...

Re: Coffee Cups Are Next

#192
post #39

What's the best reusable travel mug you've used? Easy to wash, good looking, lightweight, durable. Those stainless steel double wall ones any good?

I love my Zojirushi mug. The latching mechanism is super cool, it's easy to clean, and super nice-feeling materials.

Re: Coffee Cups Are Next

#193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I feel like dirty dishes have been a problem in every place I have worked. Have any companies wised up and installed a dishwasher in each kitchen, and have someone assigned to run them every night? Or even just pay someone to wash the dishes by hand?

I worked in an office with company mugs and a pair of dishwashers. It was great. We had no problems at all.

Ohhh, the perfect alternating clean dishwasher and dirty dishwasher approach so you never have to queue with the sink or cabinets.

My dream home will have 2 dishwashers for that reason.

Re: Coffee Cups Are Next

#194

Ask HN: Would a disposable metal cup be totally out of the question? Something like a coke can without the ring pull lid? With a lip around the rim I can't imagine them being any more flimsy than paper cups. The lid and sleeve could be 100% biodegradable since their time of contact with hot liquids is minimal, and the cups themselves could have a 25c/p deposit scheme to dissuade litter/promote collection of discarded…

Wouldn’t this be pretty hot to hold?

Re: Coffee Cups Are Next

#195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's wrong with styrofoam, assuming it is disposed of properly? Does it cause problems when tossed into a landfill? I think styrofoam is actually pretty good, per unit of source material, because it is expanded so much.

https://sustainability.wustl.edu/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/... Styrofoam for single-use products has been banned in NYC already.

Can you produce a less fanatical source? This PDF spuriously links styrofoam to Parkinson's disease. As I've seen vaccinations blamed for autism, I'm going to disregard this source as reliable.

Re: Coffee Cups Are Next

#196

I was in Seoul last month. The McDonalds there had plastic coffee mugs and there was a bin for the mugs where the trays are returned and trash is disposed. Of course, normal disposable cup was available for to go orders. The major issue is cost of course. Disposable cups are a cheap solution. As long as they remain cheap and there are not other compelling reasons, few companies are going to be making any changes. I'v…

The simple and impactful solution is charging for the cup. Here in CA, we have to pay 10 cents per grocery bag . I could buy a few thousand of them over my lifetime and it would not impact me very much but somehow I can't get myself to pay the 10 cents, since it's going to end up in the trash, so I carry my reusable bags to the store all the time. A solution that would really work would be to band cities from exporti…

But what bags do you use in your wastebaskets???

Re: Coffee Cups Are Next

#197

A former workplace of mine mandated that no-one was allowed to use re-usable coffee mugs at all. This was done because of the mass of dirty, moldy cups that seemed to fill every kitchenette in a multi-floor building. The business was a media organization and it seemed to me like reporters were the worst culprits. The company provided styrofoam cups which were consumed at a enormous rate, and this was deemed to be a b…

Are they communal cups? At my office, everyone has their own cup. Perhaps as a happy side effect, there are automatically zero mugs lying around anywhere, because if you leave your mug somewhere then what are you going to put your coffee in? Additionally since most people have a unique cup, other people will recognize yours and try to return it if you misplaced it.

Re: Coffee Cups Are Next

#198
post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have my own straw I take with. Is there a reason a disabled person can't do the same?

I once innocently and accidentally strayed into the disabled-straw debate. My Twitter responses were quite the scene for a few days after. From memory, it's considered yet another imposition on someone who already has enough struggles to deal with. They might forget, etc. I can't remember what the argument is against straws being kept under the counter and only given on request.

Why not just sell the metal or bamboo ones everywhere? I'm pretty sure after the 10th time forgetting the extra cost will be a great reminder.

Re: Coffee Cups Are Next

#199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This same thing is unfolding in my office. They are getting rid of paper cups but no one washes their dishes. I don't understand what's wrong with paper cups? They are biodegradable.

They are still a huge waste, even if they are biodegradable.

Biodegradable materials get reabsorbed by the environment by definition. They're also recycleable. For instance, cardboard breaks down within two months.

Re: Coffee Cups Are Next

#200
post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have my own straw I take with. Is there a reason a disabled person can't do the same?

I once innocently and accidentally strayed into the disabled-straw debate. My Twitter responses were quite the scene for a few days after. From memory, it's considered yet another imposition on someone who already has enough struggles to deal with. They might forget, etc. I can't remember what the argument is against straws being kept under the counter and only given on request.

Probably something about needing to indirectly express their disability yet another time.
Post reply on HN