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Re: Imperial College London Launches a Centre for Psychedelics Research

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Post by cies »

inflatableDodo wrote: post #30
cies wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> criminals I've never accepted some behaviour to be criminal without a victim. Pedantic gov'tal meddling, waste of resources at best, a way to lock up lefty/hippy/non-whites at worst. Passing laws that make victimless behaviour illegal should be criminal. Let's make that a constitutional law...

>Passing laws that make victimless behaviour illegal should be criminal. Let's make that a constitutional law... I'm for metalaws so long as the punishment isn't just some mild sanction. I have always been a fan of heavy metalaws.

Here it's more simple. Any law that's unconstitutional is simply not effective. But heay, why not also put guillotine on the law passer. :)

Re: Imperial College London Launches a Centre for Psychedelics Research

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Post by voldacar »

TKWasRight wrote: post #23
shrimp_emoji wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you mean social justice. You must realize it's a false equivalence: oppression in the name of a more just society is much more worthwhile than oppression in the name of magical imaginary friends. For example, our society oppressing serial killers (for the mission statement of keeping people safe) is much more worthwhile than serial killers oppressing our society (for the mission statement of indulging urges,…

> oppression in the name of a more just society is much more worthwhile than oppression in the name of magical imaginary friends... The thought behind this statement has been used historically to do some pretty bad stuff that resulted in a lot of pain and suffering...be careful that you don't build up a power structure that "works" now when you and people who think like you are in power but can be used to utterly rob…

This sort of authoritarian thinking seems to be becoming more popular of late on HN

Re: Imperial College London Launches a Centre for Psychedelics Research

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Post by jMyles »

viktorvamos wrote: post #27
modzu wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lsd is neither addictive nor toxic

addictive is quite a loose term, things like weed and acid may not cause a chemical addiction - but they are extremely habit forming.

LSD is habit forming?

...and although many people (myself included) use cannabis in a habitual way, I don't think it's "extremely" habit forming. If cannabis represents the extreme in this metric, then it is a very flat extreme since it also has to include sugar, crack cocaine, nicotine, etc, users of which obviously develop much more dire habits much more quickly.

I don't know that either of these are habit forming so much as that people realize their benefit and choose to use them in some sort of routine.

Re: Imperial College London Launches a Centre for Psychedelics Research

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Post by TKWasRight »

voldacar wrote: post #32
TKWasRight wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> oppression in the name of a more just society is much more worthwhile than oppression in the name of magical imaginary friends... The thought behind this statement has been used historically to do some pretty bad stuff that resulted in a lot of pain and suffering...be careful that you don't build up a power structure that "works" now when you and people who think like you are in power but can be used to utterly rob…

This sort of authoritarian thinking seems to be becoming more popular of late on HN

They fail to realize that these authoritarian measures will undoubtedly be used against them when their political rival takes power...

Re: Imperial College London Launches a Centre for Psychedelics Research

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Post by XaoDaoCaoCao »

viktorvamos wrote: post #27
modzu wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lsd is neither addictive nor toxic

addictive is quite a loose term, things like weed and acid may not cause a chemical addiction - but they are extremely habit forming.

Not in the same manner of alcoholism or stimulant/opioid addiction.

Especially the psychedelic drugs. They punish harshly for trying to "trip" multiple times in a row. You'd have to take an absurd amount to abuse it in the same manner as the classical "hard" drugs. It's incredibly easy to restrain oneself to a 1xweek usage. It's like a incredibly cheap Friday night trip to the movies in that context.

t. Someone who's tripped hundreds of times with no ill symptoms

PS: Sunrises are so godamn beautiful on the comedown. If only one could bequeath the beauty of such moments as a shareable gift.

Re: Imperial College London Launches a Centre for Psychedelics Research

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Post by qwerty456127 »

cies wrote: post #29
inflatableDodo wrote: post #5

Judging from the success with clinical research into marijuana, if this is successful we can look forward to a future in which family members of the UK government can sell clinical psychedelics all over the world while still insisting at home that it has no medical benefit and is only used by criminals.

> criminals I've never accepted some behaviour to be criminal without a victim. Pedantic gov'tal meddling, waste of resources at best, a way to lock up lefty/hippy/non-whites at worst. Passing laws that make victimless behaviour illegal should be criminal. Let's make that a constitutional law...

I think exactly the same yet legalizing everything victim-less can be a hard target to reach. There is, however, an easier concept: laws that are scientifically and logically unreasonable should be cancelled.

Re: Imperial College London Launches a Centre for Psychedelics Research

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Post by feedbeef »

miles wrote: post #14

From a comment by /u/oredna in /r/Psychonaut yesterday[0]: > Worth noting that the actual first is the Center for Psychedelic Studies at the University of Toronto[1]. We were recently featured in a National Post piece[2]. We've been in touch with the author to inform them that it's inaccurate to call ICL's the first given that we already exist. > That said, this is great news! More psychedelic research, and we're hop…

> That said, this is great news!

Great news indeed. Scientific progress into psychedelics needs to be celebrated. We also need to celebrate specific individuals in the field, like Drs. Nichols (father and son both), for their continuing scientific contributions and persistence, often in the face of governmental and industrial opposition [1].

1. https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/gypbnx/psychedeli...

Re: Imperial College London Launches a Centre for Psychedelics Research

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Post by mehrdadn »

cies wrote: post #29
inflatableDodo wrote: post #5

Judging from the success with clinical research into marijuana, if this is successful we can look forward to a future in which family members of the UK government can sell clinical psychedelics all over the world while still insisting at home that it has no medical benefit and is only used by criminals.

> criminals I've never accepted some behaviour to be criminal without a victim. Pedantic gov'tal meddling, waste of resources at best, a way to lock up lefty/hippy/non-whites at worst. Passing laws that make victimless behaviour illegal should be criminal. Let's make that a constitutional law...

> I've never accepted some behaviour to be criminal without a victim.

You don't have to. That's easy to 'solve' at least a few different ways, depending on how you prefer to look at it. (1) The victim is the same as the criminal. (2) The victims are those who have to pay for that guy's legal/medical/whatever bills later. (3) The victims are nearby/associated families who have to deal with the consequences.

Re: Imperial College London Launches a Centre for Psychedelics Research

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Post by Vulkum »

They have conducted some of these studies some years ago. One of the was a study on the effects of LSD [0][1] on the brain, and I if I recall correctly they were also looking for test subjects for shrooms around the same time.

[0]https://www.imperial.ac.uk/news/171699/the-brain-lsd-reveale...

[1]https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/early/2016/04/05/151837711...

Re: Imperial College London Launches a Centre for Psychedelics Research

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Post by KingFelix »

oofabz wrote: post #12

What about MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies? They've been around for decades and have done great work. Aren't they the first?

Who knows, but MAPS is awesome and doing some amazing things. Also most likely doing a lot of heaving lifting when it comes to protocols and allowing for more room / research. Its all good news!
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