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I'm a Data Scientist and It's Not My Passion

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Re: I'm a Data Scientist and It's Not My Passion

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Less bullshit majors seems like a very good thing.

This is either a low effort bait post or exactly the kind of bullshit tech-worship I've come to despise. There's more to life and learning than STEM and whatever rides the current economic wave.

There's a lot more to life than technical/engineering fields. The pay is just complete crap.

If you don't mind being broke and living on welfare, by all means, get that liberal arts degree.

Re: I'm a Data Scientist and It's Not My Passion

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How do you define "bullshit major"?

A major which the labor market doesn't need in the quantities that are being churned out by colleges, such as the classic "would you like fries with that" English major. It's not "bullshit" if you're independently wealthy and can pay to "study" for "fun", or as a second major to something that's in demand. But for everybody else I'd consider more in-demand professions, even though they're usually much harder. For an…

You can go even farther, if less than 50% of the people studying it work in that field, maybe less than 20% work there? And their expected wages can't pay for the cost of the college education in 20 years, then it's very questionable to study in that field. Unless you are rich already.

Re: I'm a Data Scientist and It's Not My Passion

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It really doesnt matter whether the startup gives you 4500, 1500, or 45000, or a million. You are being given the numerator without knowing the denominator, so it is all worth zero until you get to see the Cap Table. Most startups wont let you see the Cap Table. Even if you saw the Cap Table, there is still a lot of uncertainty, tons of illiquidity, and a long horizon. Options are nice, but they are not cash and do n…

I feel like you didn't actually read/understand his comment. He stated they were worth $0, implying that it doesn't matter how many they give; they're still worth $0. It was cheekily pointing out how worthless stock options in a pre-IPO startup are.

Why would stock options be worthless just because a company is pre-IPO?

Re: I'm a Data Scientist and It's Not My Passion

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The media's constant reporting on college debt and low paying majors has actually had a large impact on what the next generation is studying. https://qz.com/1370922/the-2008-financial-crisis-completely-... The humanities and social sciences have fallen off a cliff, heath care and STEM has soared. I'm skeptical that this is a good thing.

For society it is not good to have a dearth of skilled writers, historians & teachers, but for the individual they don't want to end up with no job or a crappy $35k a year job in the middle of nowhere.

I think we have plenty of those who can't find a job in their desired field that provides normal adult lifestyle.

Re: I'm a Data Scientist and It's Not My Passion

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Yes, but should people take on substantial debt to get a 'meaningful' degree that will not provide a real ROI? Studying fluffy majors is only logical for 1%ers, basically, because you don't really have to work for a living and you can get set up with some prestigious non-profit through connections. For everyone else, they should probably get cultured on their own, without paying tens of thousands of dollars.

Money is not the only thing in the world, or even the most important. It’s a means to an end.

Right, tell that to a person in 3rd world who doesn't know where their next meal is going to come from. Money is not the most important thing in the world when you are making more than maybe $60-$70k/year in NA, but if you are making anything less than that, it definitely is the one of the most important thing if not the most important thing in the world.

Re: I'm a Data Scientist and It's Not My Passion

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post #67

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Less bullshit majors seems like a very good thing.

This is either a low effort bait post or exactly the kind of bullshit tech-worship I've come to despise. There's more to life and learning than STEM and whatever rides the current economic wave.

It's not bullshit. But at the same time, I wonder why so many people do these majors. They mostly end up working on a unrelated field. If they go to university just because they are passionate about learning the subject and are willing to pay for it, that's great! But I feel it's just that they are pressured to go to college, they are pressured to "follow their passions" even when it will not work out, and in fact some menial jobs require a degree nowadays.

We don't really need (economically speaking) lots of philosophy majors. And maybe that's okay if people are doing philosophy majors for the knowledge, but I don't think that's the case. And if they want a good job, I think we should discourage these majors.

That doesn't mean we don't need philosophy. It's really important. But it doesn't make much difference if the people who have a degree on that work on unrelated things.

Re: I'm a Data Scientist and It's Not My Passion

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You need to ask for a pay rise. $125,000 is nothing these days. A regular developer makes that much.

I thought devs make more than data scientists? It's my experience that devs are in much shorter supply related to the demand, and their (comp or) value is usually higher.

Re: I'm a Data Scientist and It's Not My Passion

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Just because they can, doesn't mean it's average or to be expected. I think a lot of people on here (and Blind) constantly say everyone is underpaid. It might be trying to help educate people they can be paid more. But it's usually framed in a way most people find insulting. Only 5% of laborers in cities like LA and NYC make over $200k a year. That number is a bit higher in The Bay. Only about 12-15% of people make o…

Thank you so, so much for pointing this out. I am so tired of basically everybody believing they are under-paid by making $120k+ It puts out the wrong expectations. Most people under-estimate, what kind of life they can live with $60-80k anyways.

It’s a very common HN trope: go to any thread where tech salaries are mentioned and you’ll find someone whose sister’s boyfriend’s roommate makes $400k at Facebook, so therefore that’s a normal, expected salary for all tech workers. Point out actual publicly available data like Glassdoor or Salary.com and you’ll get a whole bunch of nit picks about their methodology or the fact that they report base salary only, etc.

Yes, there are likely outlier employees at outlier companies making huge comp but those have to be at least 2 to 3 standard deviations right of the average.

Re: I'm a Data Scientist and It's Not My Passion

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So I left my 'typical' role type for a massive paycut due to being done with working in SF and Silicon Valley for something I am passionate about. I turned down a job at $180,000 and took a job at $52,000. (previous to that I was making $228,000 - as a consultant) Because I have literally no passion for what I used to do, the ageism, cut-throat bullshit in silicon valley has quite a toll. Housing is retarded. Transpo…

Life is a lot better in Seattle. I'm over 50, no problem working as a dev or other roles, endless opportunity. If a job gets too stressful tell them to change it, or get a new job that probably pays more.
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