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Re: Ask HN: Do Udacity nanodegrees get anyone a job without academic background?

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I'd go as far as saying that most formal CS degrees are often useless. FOUR years, and new grads often still can't code. I've met some 3-4 year students in "Cybersecurity" programs that couldn't cogently explain the difference between private/public keys. Think about that.

Think about this: those same students could do a nanodegree since there are for requirements to signing up for one.

since there are no requirements

Re: Ask HN: Do Udacity nanodegrees get anyone a job without academic background?

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In a lot of companies you will NOT get hired without degree. It's pretty much the barrier to entry before you can show your skills or experience . Not sure if Udacity degrees count for this.

Why is this downvoted? The truth hurts?

Because that's only true for graduate positions.

Re: Ask HN: Do Udacity nanodegrees get anyone a job without academic background?

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Honestly? Make stuff. Get patches submitted to relevant open source projects. Make a small project that's actually finished (bonus if it's demo-able).

This is bad advice. No one has time to look at your open source patches and evaluate them. Several hiring managers have told me this.

> This is bad advice. No one has time to look at your open source patches and evaluate them.

The last time I was asked to screen and interview candidates I took the time to check out all portfolios, including github/gitlab/sourceforge profiles and projects.

In a few cases the candidate's portfolio work was decisive to greenlight and reject job apllicants.

Re: Ask HN: Do Udacity nanodegrees get anyone a job without academic background?

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Why is this downvoted? The truth hurts?

Because that's only true for graduate positions.

Not true, I have personally witnessed candidates being rejected for senior (engineering, not management) positions due only to lack of college degree. Obviously idiotic, but it does happen.

Re: Ask HN: Do Udacity nanodegrees get anyone a job without academic background?

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IMHO the micro degrees, and MOOC courses in general, can help if you already have the needed requirements and use it to support extras listed as 'wants'. Of course if the list of NEEDED skills is more than 5, then they usually do not know what they really need and a micro degree for all of their listed requirements would work. In addition, the micros could provide the difference between two candidates. "Yeah they are about the same, but this one spends time learning more, and you know we are considering opening the left-handed smoke shifter division and his micro skills would be an asset there"

Re: Ask HN: Do Udacity nanodegrees get anyone a job without academic background?

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post #60

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RSI? Well that’s a bit of an exception. I personally interpret it as a more enduring meritocratic signal than attending any specific college.

Yes, RSI! :) Though the ones who set "oh, you were at MIT" didn't know about this program.

If I see any resume with RSI on it, here's how I read it:

* I think less than 1% of the high school students in this country (the US) are aware of summer programs such as RSI. Knowing about RSI, let alone being selected into it, is a strong signal that in your pre-college years you were very invested in math and STEM.

* even if you don't have a very prestigious college degree is not a negative signal anymore from my point of view. At 17-18 we are all very fragile beings (and we keep being fragile until at least 25), so lots of things could explain why you didn't get into a top university. I would inquire about that, but I would expect to hear some reasonable explanation (and I wouldn't mind if you simply told me it's personal and you don't feel comfortable going into those details).

* I would ask you if you participated in any math or CS competitions in high school/ college.

From here, lots of ways to have a pleasant chat for about 30 minutes.

Re: Ask HN: Do Udacity nanodegrees get anyone a job without academic background?

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Yes, RSI! :) Though the ones who set "oh, you were at MIT" didn't know about this program.

If I see any resume with RSI on it, here's how I read it: * I think less than 1% of the high school students in this country (the US) are aware of summer programs such as RSI. Knowing about RSI, let alone being selected into it, is a strong signal that in your pre-college years you were very invested in math and STEM. * even if you don't have a very prestigious college degree is not a negative signal anymore from my…

I am not from the USA (there is some number of international participants). So applying there is considerably more difficult than for a US person (and the effort goes in non-STEM things such as the application procedure).

When it comes to signals, I like your approach for looking at them as hints, rather than judgments.

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