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Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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Aww come on! No punch line?

I think the punch line is that the last dude doesn't exist

He certainly sounds like a ilusion, suffered after too much work and to little caffeine.

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"as a serious health debt" Except, sleep isn't a debt because the loss can't be repaid. This is one of many important things I have picked up from Dr. Matthew Walker who wrote "Why We Sleep" and has been doing the podcast rounds lately. Not to pick on you at all. It sounds like you have made some big realizations and are making fantastic changes. Realizing I can't make up sleep to pay off the "debt" has been eye open…

So naps the same day catch it up? I will often wake up and be unable to get back to sleep. I am able to sleep later in the day after I have walked, and had food. I finished most of the book, but don’t remember seeing what he wrote on this.

Walker seems to say no, it doesn't catch it up.

"Can naps help with sleep debt?

Walker: And the answer, unfortunately, is no. Sleep is actually not like the bank. You can't accumulate a debt and then hope to pay it off at some later point in time. So sleep is an all-or-nothing event in that sense. So you can't short sleep during the week and then try to binge and oversleep at the weekend."

https://www.businessinsider.com/sleep-expert-naps-dangerous-...

Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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With the 996 system (9 am to 9 pm, 6 days per week), this would leave very little time for anything but working and sleeping. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/996_working_hour_system https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/business/jack-ma-996-china/in...

Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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"as a serious health debt" Except, sleep isn't a debt because the loss can't be repaid. This is one of many important things I have picked up from Dr. Matthew Walker who wrote "Why We Sleep" and has been doing the podcast rounds lately. Not to pick on you at all. It sounds like you have made some big realizations and are making fantastic changes. Realizing I can't make up sleep to pay off the "debt" has been eye open…

So naps the same day catch it up? I will often wake up and be unable to get back to sleep. I am able to sleep later in the day after I have walked, and had food. I finished most of the book, but don’t remember seeing what he wrote on this.

That's not to say naps have no benefit for people who don't have trouble sleeping at night. Walker's research shows that naps can help boost memory and learning.

https://news.berkeley.edu/2010/02/22/naps_boost_learning_cap...

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It's exciting to see specific validation for our industry. We've seen a similar phenomenon with athletes, which drove us to create a sleep improvement app, called Rise Science ( https://www.risescience.com ), for athletes that tells them what to do to improve their sleep tonight based on science. It's currently being used by both professional and collegiate teams across the NFL, MLB, NBA, MLS, and NCAAF. We're now ta…

Is a phone number really required to sign up?

It's been really helpful for quickly helping folks who have issues during the early beta.

It's early, so not everything is perfect—we're working at full speed to make improvements and roll out new features.

Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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When I was younger, like many people, I thought of all-nighters as a thing to brag about. Now, I see sleep deprivation as a serious health debt that you pay nosebleed compound interest rates on. If you get less than your preferred amount of sleep, everyday living can become more complicated. Simple tasks can become dangerous. Do not walk down stairs without holding the hand rail if you are tired! Also, my sleep track…

"as a serious health debt" Except, sleep isn't a debt because the loss can't be repaid. This is one of many important things I have picked up from Dr. Matthew Walker who wrote "Why We Sleep" and has been doing the podcast rounds lately. Not to pick on you at all. It sounds like you have made some big realizations and are making fantastic changes. Realizing I can't make up sleep to pay off the "debt" has been eye open…

> ... because the loss can’t be repaid.

It’s repaid all at the end.

Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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"as a serious health debt" Except, sleep isn't a debt because the loss can't be repaid. This is one of many important things I have picked up from Dr. Matthew Walker who wrote "Why We Sleep" and has been doing the podcast rounds lately. Not to pick on you at all. It sounds like you have made some big realizations and are making fantastic changes. Realizing I can't make up sleep to pay off the "debt" has been eye open…

I don't know if you have children yet, but I regret to inform you if you don't that significant sleep deprivation is in your future unless you plan to extensively involve caregivers outside of you and your spouse.

Cosleeping can dramatically reduce sleep deprivation for parents. We humans have evolved to cosleep with our babies. In a cosleeping situation the baby does not experience terror (a baby left alone in nature has zero survival chances so this terror is programmed and so leaving a baby to sleep alone is counterproductive and cruel), can feel the warmth and heartbeat of the mother, can feed without and before fully waking up or waking up the mother.

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No necessary. We were lucky, but our daugher gave us very little trouble in this regards. She was breastfed, so feeding her at night was a minimum hassle at night and wife barely had to wake up for it. Not sure where on the rule-exception continuum this expierience falls, but my point is that having a newborn does not guaranty you an miserable existance in the zombie mode.

Based on my personal experience with two kids, it’s completely random what type of kid you’ll get. My first would wake every hour at night and require a lot of effort to get back to sleep, this lasted until he was at least a year. My second was far better, but still created sleep deprived parents for the first four months. Having at least 3-4 months of an infant after birth (the forth trimester) be difficult to sleep…

I was sure that SOME things you can control, but now I believe you just have some variable amount of influence - in the end, luck matters a lot. E.g. we managed to "train" our first two kids to eat well, but the third broke us. At some point, we were begging her, "eat this cupcake, it has chocolate!". Taught me to refrain from judging other parents.

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With the 996 system (9 am to 9 pm, 6 days per week), this would leave very little time for anything but working and sleeping. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/996_working_hour_system https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/15/business/jack-ma-996-china/in...

In most of the civilized world, including the PRC, that system is outright illegal.

Re: Impact of a Night of Sleep Deprivation on Novice Developers’ Performance (2018)

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Programmer in a start-up here. Please do talk about this with your workaholic colleagues as I did! We need to create an industry standard here. Sleep is super important to success and happiness, and I just recently found that sleep is not enough. I need also rest. If I don't have rest and relaxation often I get tired for several days regardless of sleep time. Writing this after deliberate 5 minutes downtime.

I've been a pro programmer since age 15ish, now 34. I've been rebooting my health for the past 6 years where I found myself 50lbs overweight and isolated and alcoholic. Sleep and breaks have been an invisible health issue until about 3 years ago. Laying down boundaries about personal time was received very badly indeed. This was following 2 years of week-on/week-off on PagerDuty, with noisy frequent false alarms that were never a priority to fix(!). Since August I've been 100% out of tech but still in Silicon Valley, doing landscaping and moving and waiting, and in these industries I've for the first time had managers who've encouraged sleep, reminded me to drink water, and made breaks mandatory and it's amazing. When I hire programmers I'm going to treat them like landscapers.
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