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AI-powered laundry-folding robot company has filed for bankruptcy

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Re: AI-powered laundry-folding robot company has filed for bankruptcy

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No, I think this line of thinking is exceptionally counterproductive. If you are the sort of lovely person who is bothered by others' working conditions and rights, a cleaner in your home is absolutely the best outcome. Not only do you get to pay above the odds —if you want to— you get to see them, you can talk to them and ask them how they're doing in life. Conversely how do you suppose the teenagers who assembled y…

> Not only do you get to pay above the odds —if you want to— you get to see them, you can talk to them and ask them how they're doing in life. To the extent that it makes this person's work bearable, it worsens the situation. The company abusing the worker gets to earn that much more money and stay in business that much longer. If everyone did that, such companies would worsen their treatment even more (this is the s…

Abuse can exist anywhere, but I wager it is more likely in countries with little or no worker protections, and where there are more people working in poor conditions.

Because where I am, we do have worker protections, minimum wage, modern-day slavery rules that forbid indenture, maximum hours, health and safety regulations. The people in the factories and mines that make the robots have none of these.

My point above was that you are only ever able to detect abuse where you have contact. If you feel your cleaner is being abused (again, just talk to them) you have so many options for legally improving their situation.

That may mean the agency they worked for goes out of business under a hail of prosecutions, but there is a solid demand for cleaners (both self-employed and agency). Somebody else will step in and take on that work, and ultimately employ local people to do the same work.

> The way to help those people isn't to buy more of their products

Not sure if you got that the wrong way around but my point above was not to suggest that buying more robots is a good thing. If the quote above is what you meant, we agree.

Re: AI-powered laundry-folding robot company has filed for bankruptcy

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> But it turns out that washing machines didn't do much to save time. Maybe not, but it has saved lives. Doing laundry by hand was hardcore and caused quite a lot of physical damage to people, including deaths.

What, from people falling into the river and drowning? Seems like me that an electrical fire from a washing machine is about as likely.

This is actually a really interesting topic. So interesting that at least one book was written on it (called "Save Women's Lives: The History of the Washing Machine").

The tl;dr version is this: doing laundry entirely by hand involves a high level of physical exertion, most of it highly repetitive and crouched over in an unnatural manner for a substantial amount of time. This alone caused a great deal of physical injury and deformity, sometimes leading directly to death.

The washing machine itself was not really invented as a time-saving device. It was invented primarily to make doing laundry less physically harmful. Any time savings was just gravy.

It is commonly held by researchers that the washing machine (we're not even talking about electric or automatic washing machines here) is one of the top 10 most important inventions in terms of impact on health and longevity.

Re: AI-powered laundry-folding robot company has filed for bankruptcy

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I must be an outlier as well. When my children were small, I was doing the laundry for the household. Two adults, two kids. I certainly wasn't spending more than an hour a week folding clothes. (My total time doing laundry was much higher, of course, particularly when the kids were diaper-age).

The parent comment seemed to suggest that they spent less than an hour was spent per week on all activities not including the clothes were in the washing machine. That’s what I was suggesting was low.

The parent comment was talking about folding specifically: "I probably spend (at most) an hour a week folding."

Re: AI-powered laundry-folding robot company has filed for bankruptcy

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Why bother turning the shirts right side out? You can do it directly before you put them on, and one at a time spread out over weeks always felt less tedious to me.

I think if I were less lazy I'd turn them right side out when tossing them in the hamper.

Washing inside-out is better (as in "extends the useful lifespan") for shirts with printing or embroidery on them.

Re: AI-powered laundry-folding robot company has filed for bankruptcy

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The parent comment seemed to suggest that they spent less than an hour was spent per week on all activities not including the clothes were in the washing machine. That’s what I was suggesting was low.

The parent comment was talking about folding specifically: "I probably spend (at most) an hour a week folding."

“not counting the time spent in the washing/drying machine, I probably spend (at most) an hour a week folding.”

This is unclear to me but implies that “folding” includes all laundry activities except “time spent in the washer dryer” (otherwise why mention it). I guess if you fold and put away everything, this could be the case.

Re: AI-powered laundry-folding robot company has filed for bankruptcy

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Folding arbitrary pile of laundry completely unsupervised is super hard problem. I actually have more faith in solving self-driving before that :). It seems company was Japanese, used loan model (as opposed to VC funding) and went bankrupt probably because creditors went after them. Their machine cost $16,000. The article describes scenario at CES where someone tried giving it black t-shirt but apparently machine cou…

> Folding arbitrary pile of laundry completely unsupervised is super hard computing and robotics problem FTFY. And the business proposition isn't "limited", it's stupid. An attempt to throw technology somewhere it cannot compete. The opportunity cost for that $16k is paying somebody minimum wage to fold clothes for you for over 2000 hours. That would last a family of four about 38 years (just folding). Cleaners, hous…

I would totally buy one. But not at that price.

A clothes washing and folding robot is highly desired.

But for $20,000, if the robot can also wash the dishes (not a dishwasher), vacuum the floor (not a Roomba), and do some light dusting.. then I’d buy that in a heartbeat.

I do not want to pay for maid service. I don’t really want people in my personal space, so I’d rather do everything myself, which means they never get done.

Re: AI-powered laundry-folding robot company has filed for bankruptcy

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Folding arbitrary pile of laundry completely unsupervised is super hard problem. I actually have more faith in solving self-driving before that :). It seems company was Japanese, used loan model (as opposed to VC funding) and went bankrupt probably because creditors went after them. Their machine cost $16,000. The article describes scenario at CES where someone tried giving it black t-shirt but apparently machine cou…

"I actually have more faith in solving self-driving before that"

Interesting. It seems obvious to me that self-driving is much harder. One reason that comes to mind is there is a lot more diversity in the environment while driving, and of the behavior of things you meet. Also, when a car gets confused it has more momentum, and is in traffic, so halting seems likely to be much harder.

Re: AI-powered laundry-folding robot company has filed for bankruptcy

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Why bother turning the shirts right side out? You can do it directly before you put them on, and one at a time spread out over weeks always felt less tedious to me.

That's very lazy of you to perform that computation only at the very last moment before you need it. And I guess it saves you the time it would take you to fold a shirt you were never going to utilize anyway. Very good! Do you have more hacks?

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