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Airlines eye crueler ways of making passengers miserable

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Re: Airlines eye crueler ways of making passengers miserable

#101

Gee golly! You mean to tell me capitalists are trying to extract more money by increasing capacity (and thus increasing misery)? Please say it isn't so! /news at 11

Good news. You are also a capitalist. Don't buy the ticket.

No, I'm not a capitalist. Just because I was born in this system doesn't make me a willing participant.

Thanks for playing though.

Re: Airlines eye crueler ways of making passengers miserable

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I can say is that if you to any other country, developed or not, the flying experience seems to be better than the US. For instance: * not getting groped by the T.S.A. * not having to book a flight a month in advance to get a good price * paying less * being treated like a human being

TSA precheck solves the first one

No it doesn't. If the precheck lanes are closed you get to go through the regular line first. That's it. Add to that, there is no evidence to show that our intrusive security is any better than the former metal detectors that existed prior. Flying is needlessly impacted. It's theater as it's trivially easy to bypass most security measures in place and get weapons on board all you want. The best security measure that was implemented was locking the cockpit during flight. It's the only one that made any real improvement in security and it cost nothing.

Re: Airlines eye crueler ways of making passengers miserable

#104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I can say is that if you to any other country, developed or not, the flying experience seems to be better than the US. For instance: * not getting groped by the T.S.A. * not having to book a flight a month in advance to get a good price * paying less * being treated like a human being

TSA precheck solves the first one

Yeah, but it “solves” it at a monetary and privacy cost (albeit relatively small for the former).

It bothers me that we tolerate various personal possessions (in this instance privacy) being taken away and then given back, generously (/s), for a small fee. I would rather be groped and spoken down to then hand more information/money over to another poorly-managed organization.

Moreover, the Airline-Security group has always been reactive rather than proactive. I don’t see how TSA pre-check prevents anything in the first place. What’s to stop someone from deciding at some point after the Pre-Check process that they want to create havoc on a flight? Nothing. Then we’ll have Super-Pre-Check, for only $190 and this time you “only have to” give a DNA swab. Sorry for the cynicism, etc, but I doubt I’m alone in calling the whole thing a facade.

Anyway, I forgot my initial point, but there’s my rant.

Re: Airlines eye crueler ways of making passengers miserable

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post #81

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We need hyperloop to work and national high speed rail to offer alternatives and competition. I do a 2 hour flight, about 1000 miles for work once or twice a quarter, I’d seriously consider a 4-6 hour train ride if the experience was better. Rather than paying extra to carry my bag on, I wouldn’t mind paying extra for a proper meal and some comfortable work space. And if they streamlined the security process the time…

Do you have TSA Pre? Security normally takes me about 5-10 minutes. I do prefer the experience taking the train but there's only about one destination a few hundred miles away where it makes sense.

So the solution to you is that citizens should pay for the privilege of giving up their right to privacy so that the government can pretend it's doing something more than it was before. What does pre check do that they didn't already know? It's frankly mind boggling that people aren't up in arms over how plainly silly the idea that the TSA makes you safer than it was too fly before. It's the same people with more toys, less training, and more stress. The solution is to make the security meet the actual risk. Current airport security is more about making money than it is about security.

Re: Airlines eye crueler ways of making passengers miserable

#107

Some of us barely fit into a jet cabin at all now! Anything over maybe 5'10" and you have to duck. I'm 6'4". Imagine standing for an hour with your neck torqued because the headroom is too little. In addition the new Delta legroom of 23" (including the depth of the seat!) will make it impossible for me to sit down. My knee is 25" from the seat (I just measured it). With existing 29" 'seat pitch' cabins, I have to spl…

Do you even have a functioning passenger train network? I've heard terrible things.

The US has an extensive rail network, but it's main purpose is for freight transport. There is a lot of freight train traffic in the US, and so many Americans live and work near train tracks, cross them during commutes, are used to interacting with trains. Just not riding on them.

Subways and other forms of light rail are common in large cities and have a lot of ridership. But these are not typically very plugged into broader rail network. Only a few of the major cities like Chicago or New York have shared stations for local and non-local train service. Taking a train between metropolitan areas us very uncommon outside of the east coast corridor.

For my part, I travel between Minneapolis, Milwaukee and Chicago quite often. I've done it once all by train, just to see what it was like. I can park my car at the Mall of America, take the light rail over to the Amtrak station, then the train down to Union station in Chicago, then a commuter train out to my destination in the suburbs. All told... it ends up taking 12+ hours, and costs about the same as the plane ticket down there. The Megabus is way cheaper, and takes about as long. I could just make the 6 to 8 hour drive, which gives me maximum flexibility. Passenger rail face some stiff competition.

Re: Airlines eye crueler ways of making passengers miserable

#108
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Currently flights effectively have no room left anymore -- I have absolutely no idea why the seats on short-haul flights have the ability to recline. It's impossible to use a 15 inch laptop if the person in front of you moves their seat back. If Delta removes that ability, I'll start flying with them exclusively. Have back problems? Feel free to pay more to sit in first/economy plus/whatever. I'd obviously also suppo…

> Have back problems? Feel free to pay more to sit in first/economy plus/whatever. Have freakishly long legs? Feel free to pay more to sit in first/economy plus/whatever. I like this game. :)

I’d fit that case under my “minimum seat space regulation clause”, but yeah, not gonna happen. I feel for the tall guys on flights, but not enough to want them to jam their seat into my chest.

Real enemy here is the airlines and the lack of regulation.

Re: Airlines eye crueler ways of making passengers miserable

#109
post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For folks with vascular issues, standing while flying can be more dangerous (increased vascular load). Movement rather than standing or sitting still is the way to go.

Just put some steppers under them lol

Add electricity generation to the steppers and you could remove the APU and save even more fuel.

Re: Airlines eye crueler ways of making passengers miserable

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I can say is that if you to any other country, developed or not, the flying experience seems to be better than the US. For instance: * not getting groped by the T.S.A. * not having to book a flight a month in advance to get a good price * paying less * being treated like a human being

TSA precheck solves the first one

Not living in and avoiding visits to a surveillance dystopia also solves this problem.
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