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Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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> Tether is currently being traded around 99 cents Tether's "market price" is manipulated. People cannot exchange tether for dollars without jumping to another exchange.

Kraken, a US based exchange trades tethers for dollars. This is plainly incorrect. https://trade.kraken.com/markets/kraken/usdt/usd

The price there seems to be sliding... currently showing $0.972.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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I think the news was out for some time and only now the rumor started to confirm. Tether is trading at exactly $1/$1 on Kraken. It had touched $0.85/$1 on October 2018 though. It was discounted for the last quarter of the last year. The discount lasted for several months suggesting lack of liquidity and possibly lack of funds. The Tether discount suddenly disappeared. And suddenly a discount/premium appeared on Bitfi…

You are holding counterfeit money and hoping you can offload it before the shit hits the fan. When everyone starts running for the exit, you may not be in the front of the pack.

You can use it as a medium of exchange, temporarily, never expose yourself to a large extent.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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1% fluctuation is normal. Tethering is stabilized through arbitrage.

The only way Tether can be stablized through "arbitrage" is if there is a risk-free way to trade 1 Tether for 1 USD. For the average user, there is no direct way to cash out your Tether for 1:1 USD. I imagine that big clients do have the ability to trade Tether for USD. Because of that, they will buy up discounted Tethers on exchanges and redeem them to Tether Company for 1 USD each. HOWEVER, this clearly relies on T…

There are plenty of ways to arb without actual settlement to USD. Look up "statistical arb".

Even without stat, all you have to do is go USDT USD BTC or similar and take the arb across multiple pairs. It's a game of musical chairs until someone with enough cash decides to break the peg

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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Which does make it rather curious that the music's kept playing, so far. Is "common knowledge" that it's probably a complete fraud (like this filing should give) required to pop the tether bubble? Or will even this not be enough?

People have been yelling that Tether is a ponzi fraud since it launched in 2015. And yet it still trades 1:1 to USD today, after the court filing was released. So is there some magic force that keeps the fraud running, and prevents market participants from cashing out their Tether in the mother of all bank runs? If you hold Tether why wouldn't you sell? Or is there more to the story than just "Tether is an obvious fr…

It's basically a giant game of chicken AFAICT, because tether is so endemic to the market that if the market as a whole gives up on that valuation then everything goes boom.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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This article goes to great alarmist lengths, past the point of being deceiving. Just the very first line: > One of the world’s most widely traded virtual currencies faces renewed doubts about its stability [...] Tether is nothing in terms of crypto currency penetration. It does not even have a percent of daily trading. Then a few paragraphs down: > [...] within an hour of the attorney general’s statement and Tether s…

> One of the world’s most widely traded virtual currencies

Looking at coinmarket cap just now it's No 2 by 24hr trading volume. Bitcoin $18bn, Tether $16.5bn, Ethereum $8bn, all others less than 4.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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Not to mention the insurance for that $0.90, should those long-term assets go caput.

And if the value of all long-term assets goes down by 50%, your 50% payout will buy just as much as it did before.

Yeah, if you are that far up the ladder. If you are the regular Joe just wanting to buy some groceries, chances are those are 50% more expensive in the same climate.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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If they lost $850m they may have $1150m or so left in cash and can use that to support the tether price.

So anyone currently holding USDT is playing a ~$1B game of musical chairs?

I imagine there could be something very much like a bank run where people sell there tether for something else till the USD reserves run out then suddenly it goes from 99c to 0.1c.

Given the shadiness of the operators they might not even run through all the cash but when half is gone steal the other half and disappear. Or something along those lines.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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This quite an ignorant comment. I've been working with Blockchain tech (Crypto by extension) for a while now and there's a lot of experimenting, genuine projects being built right now. A lot of smart people are in this space building solutions. Major companies like Samsung / Facebook have teams working on PoCs. Unfair to imply that everyone in Crypto is selling snake oil.

> Unfair to imply that everyone in Crypto is selling snake oil. So, who isn't? Look throughout the blockchain ecosystem and all you will see are scams, illegal activity and get rich quick fools. I have personally yet to see a use of blockchain tech for useful legal purposes. Yes, you will see some companies "announce" that they are "investigating" blockchain or whatnot to get some free PR, but you don't ever see them…

There seems to be a real project afoot with the Depository Trust & Clearing Corp but I'll give you that a) it hasn't released and b) they could probably do the same with MySQL https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2019/04/16/b...

It is hard finding legal and useful. There's a lot of legal but not that great like gambling.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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> the entire cryptocurrency economy relies on tethers being valued at par, given that they're how billions of dollars of liquidity are denominated. this doesn't make any sense unless tether is a required intermediate step to liquidating cryptocurrency, which it's not.

That’s one of the problems. Liquidating “crypto to fiat” is not that easy.

Depends on the amount. If you suddenly have 1 billion $ worth of BTC to liquidate, then yes. It might not be so easy, but this is the same with any asset, stocks, bonds or commodities. If you want to liquidate less, why not use established exchanges? Last time I checked their limits were quite high.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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You mean Kraken? There are many OTC lending markets that allow for tether shorting.

Seems like counterparty risk would make this a bad trade; if Tether collapses, the whole system is likely to follow.

I don't think many people assume it to be this binary: if Tether doesn't have have dollars behind every USDT. Buying USDT below $1 is simply buying debt. If you believe they will at some point in the future be able to give you a dollar for every tether, buying under $1 is very smart.
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