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Ask HN: Why do so many people want to see Tesla fail?

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Re: Ask HN: Why do so many people want to see Tesla fail?

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Post by Gustomaximus »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #20
rmason wrote: post #6

People who short Tesla stock have become an industry. Tesla is a volatile stock and they've made seriously good money on the dips. So they have a vested interest in amplifying all bad news about Tesla. At times as some have commented Elon has been his own worst enemy. It's messy but he's inventing the future with Tesla and SpaceX. I've got a friend with a brand new Tesla. He took bets a while back on when the first f…

> People who short Tesla stock have become an industry. Tesla is a volatile stock and they've made seriously good money on the dips. So they have a vested interest in amplifying all bad news about Tesla. Sounds like Ken Lay at Enron. He continued to blame shorts and the media even after bankruptcy and criminal conviction. Enron wanted to convince people they were a low-risk cleaner-energy (natural gas) company. In re…

> Waymo is at about 1 driver takeover per 10,000 miles. Tesla is nowhere near that

2 Questions:

1) Anyone know what Tesla is at for km/takeover?

2) Is Waymo still testing inside tightly limited zones? If so I kinda feel this is unfair to compare controlled zone vs nationwide wherever customers choose.

Re: Ask HN: Why do so many people want to see Tesla fail?

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Post by muzani »

One reason is because they work very long hours, below average safety, and have below average compensation. If they succeed, it's a signal to everyone else that they should also work under the same conditions.

Look at the inverse - Henry Ford wanted to pay people as much as possible, improve work conditions as much as possible, and work hours as short as possible. I'm sure people wanted him to succeed.

Re: Ask HN: Why do so many people want to see Tesla fail?

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Post by rowanG077 »

_bxg1 wrote: post #14
3327 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Elon can be obnoxious- I cannot, you cannot, everyone you know should not. We all know obnoxious people and none of them currently are walking around landing rockets on earth are they? When they also do something as such, they can be obnoxious too. I think people being critical of Elon for being obnoxious - are actually obnoxious and are missing the big picture for personal traits of one of the greatest inventors of…

I wouldn't call him "an inventor". He only knows enough about the technical side of things to make business decisions. Here's what's made him uniquely successful: - He was fortunate enough to be a founder of one of the dot-com boom's most successful companies, starting him out as an Insanely Rich Individual. - He has a smart mind for business, when he uses it. - He has a knack for envisioning products that aren't jus…

I'm not sure there are very many people smarter then Elon. He no doubt unifies people to his cause but I doubt even a small fraction of them are actually smarter then Elon himself.

Re: Ask HN: Why do so many people want to see Tesla fail?

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Post by jppope »

unityByFreedom wrote: post #20
rmason wrote: post #6

People who short Tesla stock have become an industry. Tesla is a volatile stock and they've made seriously good money on the dips. So they have a vested interest in amplifying all bad news about Tesla. At times as some have commented Elon has been his own worst enemy. It's messy but he's inventing the future with Tesla and SpaceX. I've got a friend with a brand new Tesla. He took bets a while back on when the first f…

> People who short Tesla stock have become an industry. Tesla is a volatile stock and they've made seriously good money on the dips. So they have a vested interest in amplifying all bad news about Tesla. Sounds like Ken Lay at Enron. He continued to blame shorts and the media even after bankruptcy and criminal conviction. Enron wanted to convince people they were a low-risk cleaner-energy (natural gas) company. In re…

Elon Musk is certainly a conversation piece... but same as Travis Kalanick with uber, Tesla could kick him out...

What about the Tesla though? What about electric cars or Solar?

Re: Ask HN: Why do so many people want to see Tesla fail?

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Post by octosphere »

3327 wrote: post #11
_bxg1 wrote: post #4

Elon Musk is brash, impulsive, and overly self-confident. These qualities are what make some people follow him with a cult-like dedication, but they make many others want to see him fail. Personally I don't care about all that. He's not a great person. He's a bit obnoxious. But I think that from a purely technological standpoint, Tesla is having an important positive impact on civilization. So I want to see it succee…

Elon can be obnoxious- I cannot, you cannot, everyone you know should not. We all know obnoxious people and none of them currently are walking around landing rockets on earth are they? When they also do something as such, they can be obnoxious too. I think people being critical of Elon for being obnoxious - are actually obnoxious and are missing the big picture for personal traits of one of the greatest inventors of…

It's called 'cult of personality'. Forget Elon as the person he is and focus on metrics and outcomes, which is what Elon essentially wants: bare bones data on how (and why) his ventures perform.

Re: Ask HN: Why do so many people want to see Tesla fail?

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Post by going_to_800 »

Not a fanboy, just that I support Tesla and what they achieved in a short time. There are 2 main reasons in my opinion: 1) lots of short sellers which are very vocal online 2) many people hate Musk thus they hate Tesla as well.

I don't argue with hard-core haters or fanboys since most of them seem brainwashed.

Still, I haven't heard any good reason why someone should be against Tesla as a company.

Re: Ask HN: Why do so many people want to see Tesla fail?

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Post by jezze »

I think what he has achieved so far is pretty impressive. He has a car company that is easily the most talked about of any car company and really put the electric car on the map, he has also made the public interested in space again and is really pushing new boundries there with his landing boosters.

With that said, his visions are sometimes too unrealistic like his vision of self driving cars. He really underestimates how hard that problem is. Saying he will have a self driving car before this year is over is borderline stupid and that pisses me off.

Re: Ask HN: Why do so many people want to see Tesla fail?

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Post by dv_dt »

muzani wrote: post #23

One reason is because they work very long hours, below average safety, and have below average compensation. If they succeed, it's a signal to everyone else that they should also work under the same conditions. Look at the inverse - Henry Ford wanted to pay people as much as possible, improve work conditions as much as possible, and work hours as short as possible. I'm sure people wanted him to succeed.

I think these are very valid reasons to push Tesla on.
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