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Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Yay, I am the 0.01% without even caring a lot :D Very happy with my Nexus 5X, and why would I upgrade? The Pixels are just expensive and I don't see any benefit. A shame that I'll be in real trouble if this one ever dies.

The Nexus 5X is a nice device. How long have you had it for?

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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> ML adaptive battery That sounds like a gimmick. > App actions (ML predictive app shortcuts) More stuff I don't want. I don't want "predictive" app shortcuts. I want shorts that I specify. I want to control which shortcuts are shown and in what order. I don't want anyone (developer, carrier, whoever) to see what shortcuts I've selected, used, or how often. > Digital well-being dashboard and limits This sounds like s…

> "Improvements" is a buzzword for "let's change everything and give it a facelift and make all of our users waste time relearning how to use their device". No thanks. Actually, not even thanks. Just no. Which can be a traumatic experience for non-technical people, like my mother or my niece, the end result being them learning to automatically refusing any kind of update, out of fear of change. I really don't get thi…

By that argument shouldn't you be using Android 1.0?

Or a 90s Nokia?

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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post #151
post #101

Yay, I am the 0.01% without even caring a lot :D Very happy with my Nexus 5X, and why would I upgrade? The Pixels are just expensive and I don't see any benefit. A shame that I'll be in real trouble if this one ever dies.

The Nexus 5X is a nice device. How long have you had it for?

Bought two of them on 16./21. July 2016. One stopped working reliably (didn't notice its SIM all the time) last November, mine's still working perfectly.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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post #146

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What do you mean by incentivise? Either manufacturers delivered custom firmware or they carriers didn’t sell their devices, period. Apple changed all that.

I see. That makes sense if you upgrade/buy through your carrier. That isn't something I've ever done so my carrier has never been a limitation on the phones I can get. I guess Apple made the carriers realise that everyone will get the phone they want with or without them in the purchasing cycle.

Most people get their phones from carriers.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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post #143

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> They can and do already track your app usage (you can see this if you check your usage history on the Google data dashboards). Is my Android data usage by app stored somewhere online by default? I thought the stats are only kept locally at the OS level, and are not connected to my Google Account. In any case, "Digital well-being" seems to be about tracking screen time, not data usage. And as far as I understand, it…

Sign into your google store account on another device with a web browser, it gives you full information about what apps you have installed, how long you have used them, and even the ability to install apps remotely (!).

This is a normal functionality of every app store: keeping track of what and when was installed.

But as far as I am aware, Google Play doesn't collect data about the actual usage of each app in terms of screen time.

That's where "Digital well-being" fills the gap for Google.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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Google can't make it happen unilaterally other than the Pixel phones. Without both the carrier and the handset maker putting work into the upgrade it won't happen. And the handset makers like Samsung don't want to cannibalize sales or spend resources allowing us to upgrade our Galaxy S5 handsets to Android P and Q.

Why though? If I run Windows on a Lenovo laptop, Lenovo doesn't have to vet the updates first... What are the carriers actually doing that safety updates or other GUI-related updates can't be just "added".

Actively blocking updates because they can sell more phones or they can just save money by avoiding absolutely all the hassles from updates (they don't care about security issues, they'll just blame Google).

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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post #146

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How did carriers incentivise customisation for manufacturers? Did Apple essentially turn down "easy money" to maintain product integrity?

What do you mean by incentivise? Either manufacturers delivered custom firmware or they carriers didn’t sell their devices, period. Apple changed all that.

Why would you want to buy a device from a carrier ? Just buy a phone from wherever and pop in a SIM.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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post #130

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>As an iOS developer I can't use new OS features until all my users have upgraded. As long as what I need is in the support library I can adopt the latest and greatest for Android right away. I don't know about the rate and speed of support library from the Top 5 Android manufacturers, which is Samsung, Huawei, BBKs, Xiaomi. I know they do get some regular update, but on all devices? And do those user actually update…

The support library is something that is statically compiled inside of Android apps. That's the reason why it exists - to circumvent the usual Android OS update process to bring new APIs to developers faster.

ARH, sorry I have close to zero experience on Android Development. Thank You for pointing out.

Re: Android updates are getting slower and slower, despite Google's best efforts

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> "Improvements" is a buzzword for "let's change everything and give it a facelift and make all of our users waste time relearning how to use their device". No thanks. Actually, not even thanks. Just no. Which can be a traumatic experience for non-technical people, like my mother or my niece, the end result being them learning to automatically refusing any kind of update, out of fear of change. I really don't get thi…

By that argument shouldn't you be using Android 1.0? Or a 90s Nokia?

You have no idea how much I miss my N95...
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