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Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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US government has the power to tax the entire US economy, providing financial backing to the US dollar. This is why fiat currencies weaken with their national economies, and vice versa

I really want to underline this. This is the real power of fiat currency, the ability of a government to tax people in it's region. And tax means the ability to force people to give the governmental organization a portion of their productive economic activity.

People always point this out. The astute ones point out the other half of this - the power to tax is based on the military's ability to compel payment.

One other way to look at this is physical security being a service - a fundamental one - being procured by your tax dollars. This is actually mentioned explicitly in the first sentence of the U.S. Constitution: "We the people...to insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense...do ordain and establish this Constitution." By being a citizen of the United States and complying with its tax laws, you enlist the full force of the U.S. military in securing your rights.

You could easily imagine someone offering to provide military services for Bitcoin. Depending on how they wield these military services, this could range from welcome to highly inadvisable; if it turns out they are in opposition to the interests of more powerful militaries (i.e. the U.S, or other major nations), they could quickly find out just how powerful the U.S. military is.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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Which does make it rather curious that the music's kept playing, so far. Is "common knowledge" that it's probably a complete fraud (like this filing should give) required to pop the tether bubble? Or will even this not be enough?

Let's not think of it as a bubble. Let's think of it as Wyle E Coyote running off a cliff and forgetting to look down, because that seems to be the modus operandi of the average HODL.

But HODLers don't really care about tether, do they? Isn't tether mainly used for traders who want to temporarily move out of crypto and use tether for that?

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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Is this a surprise to anyone? I was under the impression that even the most ardent HODL-er thought Tether was, at best, a very risky investment, and more likely a total scam.

Bad news is that so many exchanges use it as it is such a useful instrument for users who wish to get out of crypto temporarily when their exchanges don't support fiat trading.

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/#markets

People will use it until it gets burnt and crashed.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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From paragraph 60 in the filing (emphasis is mine): "As explained to OAG attorneys by Respondents' counsel. Bitfinex and Tether have also used a number of other third party payment processors to handle client withdrawal requests, including various companies owned by Bitfinex/Tether executives, as well as other 'friends' of Bitfinex - meaning, human being friends of Bitfinex employees that were willing to use their ba…

This was rumored pretty heavily when Bitfinex said "Divulging [bank account] info could damage not just yourself and Bitfinex but the entire digital token ecosystem … you are cautioned that there may be serious negative effects with this information becoming public." LOL https://news.bitcoin.com/bitfinex-introduces-top-secret-bank...

> "The New York Attorney General’s court filings were written in bad faith and are riddled with false assertions, including as to a purported $850 million “loss” at Crypto Capital. On the contrary, we have been informed that these Crypto Capital amounts are not lost but have been, in fact, seized and safeguarded. We are and have been actively working to exercise our rights and remedies and get those funds released. Sadly, the New York Attorney General’s office seems to be intent on undermining those efforts to the detriment of our customers." https://www.bitfinex.com/posts/356

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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The usual blog when it comes to Bitfinex. https://medium.com/@bitfinexed

Alex Jones too... The majority of this blog is just conspiracy-p0rn.

Anyway, if you are really interested in actual related news and facts just follow https://www.theblockcrypto.com or similar.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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Here's the filing: https://iapps.courts.state.ny.us/fbem/DocumentDisplayServlet...

Skimming through this I've come to some conclusions:- A reliable banking partner is prerequisite to run a fiat-crypto exchange. Loss of banking partner is fatal to an exchange, and should immediately trigger a wind-down. On the flip-side, the banking partner should in good faith, continue to process withdrawals until the wind-down is complete. Bitfinex's refusal to wind-down after the Wells Fargo decision is irrespon…

Bitfinex has been playing cat and mouse with banking for years. Even before Wells Fargo blocked their wires, they were in a nefarious banking situation. Bitfinex never wanted to take it slow and get themselves legal in the eyes of the US.

This approach would work if they were much smaller. If they just had $100M under management or something, they'd probably be able to operate in their sketchy way. They'd need somewhere safe to keep $50-60M, then they could take a diversified risk with third party processors to move money to clients.

But Bitfinex is just massive. They have billions under management. It's just not possible to hide these amounts of money when you are banned from the banking system. So yes, they should have shut down when Wells Fargo put the nail in the coffin. But like I said, by this point Bitfinex was already accustomed to opening new companies, new banks, hiding money and obfuscating its nature.

For them it probably wasn't even considered. They just kept trying to move huge amounts of money around, but from what I understand, there have been multiple instances where their money has been frozen, seized, or outright stolen by third parties.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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The wallets have been untouched for a decade. The first bitcoin to sell from it wouldn't actually crash the market, but the emotional effect of a small chunk of a very large chunk suddenly moving would be fairly big.

I don’t disagree, but it could have the reverse effect. Everything from just a ton of media attention and some adoption, to maybe something really positive like coins getting deposited to charity wallets (pineapple foundation seemed to get a lot of attention/vitality for donating their bitcoin). And it would be pretty ironic if it the coins moved and price of bitcoin crashed and actually became a peer to peer electro…

> And it would be pretty ironic if it the coins moved and price of bitcoin crashed and actually became a peer to peer electronic currency for the masses.

The price of Bitcoin isn't what is preventing it from becoming a bonafide peer to peer electronic currency. Scalability and UX issues are.

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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By the same token, cryptocurrencies are backed by the computing networks underlying them, the potential future usage of these computing networks, and by your ability to buy guns, drugs, and hacks with them. This is also not gold (although you can buy gold-backed cryptocurrency: see Digix), but not nothing either. That's why cryptocurrency evangelists harp on adoption and new use-cases: the value of any currency is pr…

USD is backed (among other things) by the government accepting taxes in it. If you don't pay, they will come to your house with guns and take you away. This creates a demand for USD that is completely unlike any demand for crypto.

> with guns

Umm, yes?

Re: Crypto Market Roiled by New Allegations Against Tether, Bitfinex

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Is this a surprise to anyone? I was under the impression that even the most ardent HODL-er thought Tether was, at best, a very risky investment, and more likely a total scam.

Bad news is that so many exchanges use it as it is such a useful instrument for users who wish to get out of crypto temporarily when their exchanges don't support fiat trading. https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/tether/#markets People will use it until it gets burnt and crashed.

Tether is currently being traded around 99 cents. The market, so far, has assigned a 1% devaluation, despite this report showing that they basically lost $850M. From what I can see on Coinmarketcap, there is $2.83 Billion Tether in circulation.

So it would appear Tether has lost at least 30% of its assets (cash converted to Crypto Capital debt, which = toilet paper). I am shocked that people aren't taking this more seriously.

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