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Almost no one goes full RMS. But I suggest that the world would be much better if everyone went even 50% RMS. Relevant: https://old.reddit.com/r/StallmanWasRight/ (Disclosure: RMS was a childhood hero, since I read the Steven Levy "Hackers" book, right up there with Mr. Rogers, Richard Feynman, Neil Armstrong, and Marvin Minsky. One day, RMS reached out, to ask me to sign over copyright, to the FSF, of a tiny bit of…

> But I suggest that the world would be much better if everyone went even 50% RMS. I disagree. Stallman infuriates and disappoints just as much as he inspires. He often comes off as rambling and intransigent. Years ago I found an open letter to him that I found reasonable[1]. Near the end, the writer considers how Stallman’s way of presenting an argument is harmful to his goal: > Dr. Stallman, I have a tremendous amo…

I'm sympathetic to what I think you're talking about, and I've had a few discussions about that. I think your assessment is too harsh in some ways, and I'd like to mention a few thoughts why...

In some regards, some things that seem arbitrary actually have a large amount of informed reasoning behind them. He doesn't show off, and maybe makes his arguments too simple, in simple language, but I've seen him trot out more of the logic and academic terms&references on occasion (for people who know those terms&references).

And I think this ties in with him being obstinate/uncompromising: it's wrt logic he's worked out (and some values weights specific to him). IMHO, we need some uncompromising people, to provide different perspectives, and as a check against all the rest of us (including myself) who compromise more easily.

Some other things that seem arbitrary actually might be, even if they seem counterproductive (not, e.g., a principles reason). For a simple example, I've suggested a few times that saying "free software" to people unfamiliar with the term seems to derail many discussions, or is just confusing (especially when we keep doing it after the somewhat less-confusing "libre software" term). I think probably RMS has decided saying "free software" creates an opportunity to educate someone new on what "software freedom" is (even at the cost of any other discussion that was going on). Maybe "free software" is also a wordplay that appeals to him (like "GNU" being a recursive initialism), and which he thinks others might like. But I haven't seen that seem to work well in practice, overall. (Or maybe it works better one-on-one for him than it does in larger practice by others?)

Which brings me to another theory: RMS might think a bit differently than our typical programmer, and this might also affect his advocacy. We tend to think others are like us (sometimes more than they are), and we might also use ourselves to help model others. I suspect RMS realizes that others are a bit different, but I don't know whether he doesn't understand people well enough to influence them as well as he could, or he's prioritizing differently. For example, promoting the "software freedom" idea itself takes priority over everything else, including the goals of the person he's talking with and any promotion that might immediately build on those goals. (I can't get into details, but I've also seen setbacks due to RMS/FSF being seemingly misled by people who said the right catchphrases to him/them. Usually people mainly enthusiastic, not intentional manipulators. I don't know how well he was able to read them, and maybe he could read them, but was willing to take a chance because his mission needs a lot more workers.)

I think we're blessed to have at least one "full RMS". How does shooting for 50% RMS for everyone else sound?

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They consider Commons Clause to be harmful for good reasons. To quote from https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#comclause : > The “Commons Clause” is a nonfree license because it forbids selling copies of the program, and even running the program as part of implementing any commercial service. Adding insult to injury, it also twists the words “commons” and “sell.” RMS and FSF's stance on software freedom is…

Thank you for the downvotes - but winning the (down)voting game doesn't make you right. > They consider Commons Clause to be harmful for good reasons. Your quote only tells that they consider the license non-free. Which is true, if you subscribe to their definition of "freedom" [0] (which I don't - YMMV). Harmful though? I don't think so. Have you looked around lately? Has opensource software won? Where it did, it di…

Don't confuse Open Source with Free Software. Open Source is a necessary but not sufficient part of Free Software.

RMS/FSF goal is to protect the rights of end users. Not developers. That's the difference between copyleft and permissive licenses. Commons Clause is neither, and it seems focused on the wrong thing. The problem isn't charging for software; the problem is charging and preventing others from redistribution and access to source code.

As for losing interest in maintaining software, I don't see how Commons Clause helps.

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Ctr+[ Vim-ing on devices with not physical Esc key makes you get used to this (default configured, no extra keymapping required) Esc alternative :P

Frankly I prefer Ctrl-[ over Esc because it requires less hand movement.

I have it on `jj`. No hand movement at all, less pinky-bending.

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I totally disagree. I don't agree with anything he believes in outside of software as far as I can tell, but the Cathedral and Bazaar was pivotal. Not only that, but if you've never looked at the source code for Nethack, you should. I admit, I haven't looked at it since he was leading the project, but it remains in my mind as one of the best pieces of C code I've ever played with. Also, his description of working wit…

Inflammatory take: people resent esr's right-wing politics.

I'm further right on the political spectrum than ESR is. It's his delusions of grandeur and constant, smug championing of his own relevance that I can't stand...

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> But I suggest that the world would be much better if everyone went even 50% RMS. I disagree. Stallman infuriates and disappoints just as much as he inspires. He often comes off as rambling and intransigent. Years ago I found an open letter to him that I found reasonable[1]. Near the end, the writer considers how Stallman’s way of presenting an argument is harmful to his goal: > Dr. Stallman, I have a tremendous amo…

I'm sympathetic to what I think you're talking about, and I've had a few discussions about that. I think your assessment is too harsh in some ways, and I'd like to mention a few thoughts why... In some regards, some things that seem arbitrary actually have a large amount of informed reasoning behind them. He doesn't show off, and maybe makes his arguments too simple, in simple language, but I've seen him trot out mor…

I don’t want to dwell on this matter, quite frankly because I don’t find that Stallman is worth it. But I don’t feel like you understood my post, which is possibly a failure on my part for not having been clear enough.

You touched on “things that seem arbitrary” twice, but that wasn’t part of my point at all. Neither were most of your arguments. I don’t think Stallman’s behaviour is arbitrary, I think it’s harmful to his alleged goals.

> I think we're blessed to have at least one "full RMS". How does shooting for 50% RMS for everyone else sound?

Above all, that’s what heightened my certainty you did not absorb the meaning I intended for my point. The answer to that question is the premisse of my post. “How does shooting for 50% RMS for everyone else sound?”. It sounds awful. The Stallman we already have could even drop a few points.

Re: Vim.wasm

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I thought I was getting stuck in insert mode, and I got fairly frustrated before realizing my Vim keybindings browser extension was grabbing ESC and keeping it from this weird browser-Vim. We brought this abomination on ourselves.

Ctr+[ Vim-ing on devices with not physical Esc key makes you get used to this (default configured, no extra keymapping required) Esc alternative :P

Do you have a minimal keyboard?

Vim would be a particularly good editor since most operations are simple and elegant with only an occasional exit of insert mode.

but emacs... probably not as fun.

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He's the guy who invented emacs. The emacs OS is rumoured to have a built-in text editor somewhere, but it's not as good as vi.

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