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Re: Flutter desktop shells

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Post by jasonvorhe »

nova22033 wrote: post #5
yc-kraln wrote: post #3

I really want to like Flutter, but I someone really don't want to spend the time to learn Dart. I can't really quantify it--some mix of yet-another Proprietary Google Technology, yet another ecosystem, yet another X. I'm tired I just want to build stuff that solves problems.

yet-another Proprietary Google Technology Dart is open source: https://github.com/dart-lang It took me two minutes to find that using googles real proprietary technology..their search.

This is HN. Everything Google does is evil. Don't forget that.

Re: Flutter desktop shells

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Post by lima »

nova22033 wrote: post #5
yc-kraln wrote: post #3

I really want to like Flutter, but I someone really don't want to spend the time to learn Dart. I can't really quantify it--some mix of yet-another Proprietary Google Technology, yet another ecosystem, yet another X. I'm tired I just want to build stuff that solves problems.

yet-another Proprietary Google Technology Dart is open source: https://github.com/dart-lang It took me two minutes to find that using googles real proprietary technology..their search.

The litmus test is "will it survive if Google pulls the plug on it?", and I suspect the answer is "No".

But this is true of so many widely used open source projects.

Re: Flutter desktop shells

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Post by tadzik_ »

nova22033 wrote: post #5
yc-kraln wrote: post #3

I really want to like Flutter, but I someone really don't want to spend the time to learn Dart. I can't really quantify it--some mix of yet-another Proprietary Google Technology, yet another ecosystem, yet another X. I'm tired I just want to build stuff that solves problems.

yet-another Proprietary Google Technology Dart is open source: https://github.com/dart-lang It took me two minutes to find that using googles real proprietary technology..their search.

Sure it is, but I can see why OP looks down on it – just like their web rendering engine, it may be open source, but it's Google holding all the cards and ultimately making all the decisions. It may be opensource now while it's useful for them, but it may end up just like Android over the years: more and more closed bit by bit.

Re: Flutter desktop shells

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Post by vijaybritto »

yc-kraln wrote: post #3

I really want to like Flutter, but I someone really don't want to spend the time to learn Dart. I can't really quantify it--some mix of yet-another Proprietary Google Technology, yet another ecosystem, yet another X. I'm tired I just want to build stuff that solves problems.

You dont have to learn it for the sake of learning it. You can learn and use when there is the need!

Re: Flutter desktop shells

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Post by jaabe »

Cool! Does flutter do web apps/frontends yet? I think when/if it does it’ll be really interesting for small tech teams in non-tech businesses.

I work in a municipality and we simply can’t keep up with different frontend stacks for web, mobile and desktops or even the pace of which modern JS framework versions become obsolete.

Re: Flutter desktop shells

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Post by sudhirj »

jaabe wrote: post #15

Cool! Does flutter do web apps/frontends yet? I think when/if it does it’ll be really interesting for small tech teams in non-tech businesses. I work in a municipality and we simply can’t keep up with different frontend stacks for web, mobile and desktops or even the pace of which modern JS framework versions become obsolete.

It's been announced, but don't think it's ready yet. https://medium.com/flutter-io/hummingbird-building-flutter-f...

Re: Flutter desktop shells

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Post by frou_dh »

jasim wrote: post #8

I want to link to Revery - a native, cross-platform GUI library written in Reason/OCaml. It brings React's view=function(state) model to native applications, along with CSS box model and Flexbox. It has the developer ergonomics of Electron, but without the need for its heavy runtime. It is still under development and I'm looking forward to playing with it next time I try writing a GUI app. https://github.com/revery-u…

All these projects are trashing the accepted meaning of "native" GUIs.

If it's not using, for example, Cocoa controls on macOS, then how is it native GUI?

Re: Flutter desktop shells

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Post by nsriv »

jaabe wrote: post #15

Cool! Does flutter do web apps/frontends yet? I think when/if it does it’ll be really interesting for small tech teams in non-tech businesses. I work in a municipality and we simply can’t keep up with different frontend stacks for web, mobile and desktops or even the pace of which modern JS framework versions become obsolete.

I think this is the real killer feature of Flutter, and something I'm waiting for as well. They are implementing it with their Project Hummingbird, but the process is a bit opaque at the moment.

Re: Flutter desktop shells

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Post by markdog12 »

jaabe wrote: post #15

Cool! Does flutter do web apps/frontends yet? I think when/if it does it’ll be really interesting for small tech teams in non-tech businesses. I work in a municipality and we simply can’t keep up with different frontend stacks for web, mobile and desktops or even the pace of which modern JS framework versions become obsolete.

They're working on it: https://medium.com/flutter-io/hummingbird-building-flutter-f...
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