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Inflammation might be the root of preventable disease

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Re: Inflammation might be the root of preventable disease

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I find these sorts of arguments to be... odd. “Inflammation” includes so many normal homeostatic processes that it’s essentially a tautology to point to inflammation as being a critical component of disordered homeostasis. The biggest key as to whether a molecule is considered inflammatory is what type of biologist discovered it first.

>The biggest key as to whether a molecule is considered inflammatory is what type of biologist discovered it first. I'm super ignorant of this field. Do you have examples of molecules that would be classified differently if found by different researchers?

Oh, happily.

Interleukins are a great example, as a class. They were first discovered as signaling molecules between white blood cells (inter-, -leukins, leuko meaning 'white'). Unsurprisingly, though, just because we found types of cell-cell communication in immune cells first doesn't mean it's unique to the immune setting. Some examples:

Interleukin-1 acts as a neutrophil chemotactic agent. It attracts that group of immune cells. However, it also acts to regulate the differentiation of osteoclasts. Osteoclasts are the cells that break down bone. They're a normal part of bone physiology - bone is constantly being broken down and rebuilt, as part of the normal bone remodeling process. If this were discovered by cell biologists before immunologists, it would've been named something like "osteoclast differentiating factor". Sometimes it goes in the other direction: what was originally named "osteoclast activating factor" was ultimately renamed Interleukin-1Beta.

Interleukin-4 is primarily known for its role in regulating B-cell differentiation.. It was one of the earlier lymphocytotropic hormones fully characterized and reproduced in the lab by immunologists. However, IL-4 receptors have been found on numerous cell types, strongly suggesting its pleiotropy: human myocardium expresses an IL-4/13 type II receptor, which allows it to respond to IL4 and IL13 signaling. Lab studies suggest that this allows IL4 and IL13 to jointly regulate human heart muscle contractility and baseline metabolism (knockouts for IL-4 and IL-13 receptors have shown impaired contractility and dyssynergic heart contraction.) You can imagine if this had been discovered by molecular biologists before immunologists, this would have simply been a "myocyte regulatory factor 3" rather than "interleukin 4". There's no immediately obvious immunologic connection, outside of the broader umbrella of homeostasis (stress conditions -> inflammation, stress conditions -> increased cardiac activity.)

Moving away from the interleukins:

Tumor Necrosis Factor-alpha is a major immune/inflammatory regulatory; it plays a key role in the acute response to sepsis, induces apoptosis and cachexia, and is produced chiefly by various immune cells. It's also expressed in taste bud cells where it modulates neural responses to bitter tastes. Overexpression = stronger response to bitterness. It's postulated that this is why severely inflammatory states may be associated with taste distortion. No one really cares that much about physiology of taste, so even if the immunologists had been last to the party, we still would've ultimately classified this an inflammatory mediator.

And these are the obvious ones. There are more subtle ones, like macrophages and their associated matrix metalloproteinases. These are involved in tissue remodeling and thus wound healing, and thus kind of obviously fall under the broad heading of "inflammation," since we associate pretty much anything even vaguely related to trauma as "inflammatory." But really, remodeling extracellular matrix happens constantly in healthy tissues and is part of normal physiological activity. If I'm not mistaken, matrix metalloproteinases weren't discovered in the immune/inflammatory setting first - they were discovered as part of general cell biology.

Re: Inflammation might be the root of preventable disease

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What is your reaction when social conservatives say that there's no need for contraception or STD vaccines, because you can just not have sex unless you're prepared to accept the responsibilities of pregnancy and raising a child?

I really don't see where this has anything at all to do with what you are replying to.

There’s a theme of people avoiding responsibility or consequences by using a product. Best I can tell, GP feels that this illegitimate, and this poster feels it is legitimate to use a device or product to avoid health effects.

Re: Inflammation might be the root of preventable disease

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post #79

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Immune disorders like MS. The immune system attacks the persons own tissues. It’s the inflammation that causes the damage. Prevent inflammation and you stop the disease.

It seems that a faulty immune system is the cause in MS, and inflammation is the symptom... can you clarify your example?

Sure, the immune system is at fault, but it’s the inflammation that causes the damage. Since we don’t have great tools to tweak the immune system, if we prevent inflammation, we can stop the disease.

Re: Inflammation might be the root of preventable disease

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>The biggest key as to whether a molecule is considered inflammatory is what type of biologist discovered it first. I'm super ignorant of this field. Do you have examples of molecules that would be classified differently if found by different researchers?

I think what they are referring to is molecules like Cytokines [1] which are found in responses to [infection, immune responses, inflammation, trauma, sepsis, cancer, and reproduction] (from Wikipedia) Inflammation and immune response seem entirely connected. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cytokine

No, that's not at all what I was referring to. Please see my response for some examples.

Re: Inflammation might be the root of preventable disease

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Something I experienced about 20 years ago - I threw my back out (just was sitting, and turned my torso - and that was it), major sciatica pain. Went to the doctor. I was prescribed a certain stretching exercise, plus also 800mg ibuprofen, bed rest, etc. I was popping the ibuprofen "on schedule" - 3x a day. At first, it helped some, and so did the exercise. But then, the pain came back, and nothing was cutting it. No…

Inflammation can be a signal to the body to heal an area specifically expressing the inflammation. Many treatments involve causing additional damage to the wounded area to promote inflamation. This is good! Its chronic inflammation that's not good.

Isn't this the concept behind dry needling?

Re: Inflammation might be the root of preventable disease

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How can a symptom be the "cause" of a disease? Gingivitis is "inflammation of the gums", but it's "caused" by bacteria, plaque, tarter, etc... inflammation is the description of what is happening (ie, symptom) not the "cause".

> inflammation is the description of what is happening (ie, symptom) not the "cause"

If you chemically turn off inflammation and the negative downstream effects disappear, then inflammation is arguably a cause of those negative effects. Inflammation is supposed to be a healthy response to various conditions, but that isn't always the case, so when it's causing negative effects it becomes a pathology and arguably a cause.

Now if you're trying to argue some sort of infinite regress, then the Big Bang tautologically caused everything and nothing else is a meaningful cause.

Re: Inflammation might be the root of preventable disease

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So what are the "right tools" to reverse diabetes in humans? These are probably different for the different types. (When young, non-obese kids get it, I doubt it's because of energy surplus)

Im pretty sure this is for type 2 diabetes. To reverse, you have to loose significant weight which is at least -20%, sleep well, exercise regularly, and eliminate stress

> you have to loose significant weight which is at least -20%

I think that's an oversimplification. Roughly a third of people with T2D have a normal BMI, and most obese people don't have T2D. I mean, sure, lose the weight if you can afford it, but that's attacking an exacerbating factor rather than the root causes (which are not really understood yet).

Re: Inflammation might be the root of preventable disease

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How can a symptom be the "cause" of a disease? Gingivitis is "inflammation of the gums", but it's "caused" by bacteria, plaque, tarter, etc... inflammation is the description of what is happening (ie, symptom) not the "cause".

> inflammation is the description of what is happening (ie, symptom) not the "cause" If you chemically turn off inflammation and the negative downstream effects disappear, then inflammation is arguably a cause of those negative effects. Inflammation is supposed to be a healthy response to various conditions, but that isn't always the case, so when it's causing negative effects it becomes a pathology and arguably a ca…

The term "root cause" was not invented for nothing. One should always try to find the root cause since if you do not find it you are fighting a symptom instead of a cause. There is a huge amount of research about what causes inflammation so it is correct to say that inflammation is a symptom not a cause.

Re: Inflammation might be the root of preventable disease

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Yup! I would also predict this. You simply can’t engineer your way out of needing better living conditions.

Sometimes you’re in the conditions you’re in because of mental or emotional issues, and require the assistance of a mental health professional to get back on track (for example, overeating from emotional trauma leading to obesity and inactivity).

Sometimes...but not often enough for our pharmaceutical community.
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