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The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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While I agree and sympathize with Professor Charney's on one level, on another the real problem (IMHO) is the lack of legit opportunities in Higher Ed. In the corporate world people are fired or let go for silly reasons or non-reasons all the time: that's at-will employment. But for people in most fields they just find another job and move on; the problem here is there aren't many opportunities to teach at a prestigi…

Maybe there's not enough academic jobs because too many people try to obtain them. And the reason there's too many is because of false advertising of what academic life is really like. Who would really want to be a professor given what this professor is going through? And he probably didn't earn much. In the media, though, a professor is always presented with respect. It's a professor! So kids get the wrong idea. The…

AFAIK professors are routinely at the top of job satisfaction surveys.

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This is the world we live in now. Doesn’t matter if you actually harmed someone. What matters now is whether someone feels you as doing harm. The word of the person who perceives harm is taken as fact and the accused has little to no recourse or defense.

> Doesn’t matter if you actually harmed someone.

> What matters now is whether someone feels you as doing harm

Can you briefly explain what you believe the differences between those statements are, as I can very easily imagine a position where I would say that those are arguably the same.

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The issue with treating college like a normal good is that there are positive externalities. So the customer (the student who is paying) doesn't capture all the good that is provided. There's value in having an educated populace and in inculcating common values. That value accrues to society as well as the student.

That means that we can't compare paying for college to paying for a normal good, say a car. If there was a way for drivers to give a car poor ratings and that affected the car company negatively, that's great! The market works. But college is about more than just skills transfer, and that's why having student feedback is important but can't trump other considerations. That's also why most universities have some state aid (either direct in terms of cash from the treasury, or indirect in terms of being a non profit).

I don't know how to solve this, though.

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It seems like there’s a gap in the market for a hard-nosed, teaching-first university. A place full of passionate professors with high standards. A place where high school valedictorians work their ass off for a B. A place where you feel your best will never be good enough because the standards are impossible... until, one day, you get an A. And that grade MEANS something. And after four years, the students walk out…

Does there exist a "teaching-first university" at all? If so, not many.

This is what a liberal arts college is.

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No, there is nothing specific in linked docs. It seems administration decided to get rid of him, appointed two faculty members to form committee and didn't followed their own bylaws. The tiny glimpse in the doc is that there were some low student ranking in 2018 and few people had negative experience interacting with him - but nothing specific. As per the doc, no one has made any formal complaints. It's however quite…

> I think it's a clever twist of the word "authority" There is overwhelming evidence that established science is correct, and the scientists are using objectively powerful techniques to establish truth. However, the mechanisms society at large uses to test and assimilate that knowledge are exactly the same as those used for religious authority. The major difference is that rituals invoking science tend to correlate m…

I disagree —

Scientific knowledge is highly reliable when ingested via modalities like engineering; generally speaking, planes fly and bridges stand and computers do their thing. Cool.

But what about, say, psychology. Or sociology. Or economics.

I have to seriously question the notion that these fields are actually more advanced than the evolved effective theories found in religion, given their general proclivity to support what’s politically fashionable and the frequency with which their theories fail.

I think that’s what a lot of people mean, when contrasting science and religion: that the faux rigor of psychology is worse than the effective theories evolved over thousands of years, and unsuitable replacements with which to make choices about society.

Of course, given the number of scientists who have tried to insist that Copenhagen interpretation is proven science and I need to stop questioning them suggests that even particle physics has fashions and dogmas.

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>> microagressing them > Somehow I'm reminded of the debate over corporal punishment in schools, where pedagogical effectiveness takes a back seat to more primal ideas about punishment, conformity, and order. People used to be beaten for being left-handed, remember. Can you provide some context to justify comparing microagressions with beating people with sticks?

Though it doesn't entirely answer your question, several philosophers of speech have identified no metaphysical difference between speech and non-speech, and some find the justifications for a law guaranteeing freedom of speech to be ultimately unfounded[0]. The issue for them is not whether speech causes harm (it does) but whether the harms are sufficient to allow some kind of regulation on speech; there is no evide…

Your premise is flawed. Unless it's a direct incitement to violence, speech does not cause harm.

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post #27

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Why should specifics of what is said matter if the point is free speech?

Free speech is necessary, but not sufficient. It isn't simply that the speech has to be free; it also must be worth exploring. To use my analogy, the Earth-centered model is free speech, but it isn't worth much, because it is wrong.

Actually discussing things that are wrong is just as important as discussing things that are right. Going through what's wrong is one of the ways to get to the what's right.

"It must be worth exploring" is the dangerous authoritarian ideology that is the basis of censorship. It's why free speech is a right. Not the "right to explore those worth exploring".

"What is worth exploring" is entirely subjective.

If we applied your logic, then things like LGBT rights, civil rights, physics, biology, etc are all left to the whims of authority. If people truly thought like you, then heliocentrism wouldn't have been explored because "it wasn't worth exploring" 500 years ago. Actually, it was blasphemy.

You do realize that "everything worth exploring" was pretty much banned, taboo or attacked throughout history? It's why the founders enshrined free speech into the constitution.

Things that are wrong are just as important to discuss as things that are right. It's part of the learning process and part of progress.

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Free speech is necessary, but not sufficient. It isn't simply that the speech has to be free; it also must be worth exploring. To use my analogy, the Earth-centered model is free speech, but it isn't worth much, because it is wrong.

> Earth-centered model is free speech, but it isn't worth much, because it is wrong . And yet in schools around the world people are taught that electricity flows from positive to negative, and everyone is happy. xD (slightly disingenuous, but I'd say wrong and not useful are merely correlated rather than 1-1 linked)

Understanding that current is a convention because it doesn’t matter if you have positive or negative charge carriers in many applications is not wrong in any way. Given the nature of electric charge (not to mention specific applications like semiconductors) even if you align the direction of conventional current and flow of electrons, it will still be a convention. That’s the cost of having an abstraction for net change in electric charge (which is a useful and insightful abstraction). Don’t believe schools are teaching anything different than this.

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What radical idea he was teaching?

If you read his work: that religion is as epistemologically valid as the physical sciences. I assume this is why he was dismissed from the tenure track early in his career there.

That's not what he said at all. From the paper linked above:

https://sites.duke.edu/evancharney/files/2014/09/Liberal-bia...

Statement 1 of the "open to experience" section of a popular personality test is the following:

>1. I believe that we should look to our religious authorities for decisions on moral issues. (Agree: Openness score goes down)

He claimed this introduced a political bias, stating:

>Statement 1 reflects a liberal ideological bias against religion. Is reliance upon scientific authorities, for example, close-minded? Granted, the question concerns moral decisions (so let us assume that science cannot resolve questions of right and wrong). Why, then, is reliance upon religious authorities as opposed, for example, to philosophical or ethical authorities or, simply, moral experts, singled out as an instance of close-mindedness? Academics often rely upon authorities when making decisions on moral issues (e.g., the authority of John Rawls when considering matters of distributive justice), although they would likely be uncomfortable characterizing this as reliance upon an authority (even if it is)

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post #156

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Though it doesn't entirely answer your question, several philosophers of speech have identified no metaphysical difference between speech and non-speech, and some find the justifications for a law guaranteeing freedom of speech to be ultimately unfounded[0]. The issue for them is not whether speech causes harm (it does) but whether the harms are sufficient to allow some kind of regulation on speech; there is no evide…

Your premise is flawed. Unless it's a direct incitement to violence, speech does not cause harm.

That is far too narrow a view. There are many ways a person can be harmed beyond just physical violence. Instead the question we have to tackle is how much harm are we OK with.
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