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The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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To me, a much more disturbing trend in higher education is allowing wealthy donors to set the ideological agendas of universities. The James G. Martin Center, despite its “.Center “domain name is a far-right think tank funded by the ultra conservative Pope family of North Carolina. You may know them from their bankrolling of the disenfranchisement and gerrymandering efforts in that state.

You always hear from these folks how their ideas are being suppressed etc. But they have a very powerful platform.

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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post #28

More and more this safe space bullshit is infiltrating the former bastions of free-thought. It is a disturbing trend where it no longer matters if someone can convey a counter argument to any given point of view, the mere presence of a point of view contrary to the modern anti-liberal left world view - even if purely rhetorical - breaches the safe space contract and justifies censuring or even punishment. It will onl…

"Such protectiveness is motivated less by a reasonable concern for students’ mental health and more by political ideology. The complaint of a group of conservative students who felt singled out or disrespected or uncomfortable in class would be taken far less seriously. I have been on the receiving end of faculty emails making light of just such complaints.

Nor would a complaint by religious students that God and Christianity were mocked by their professor have much purchase. And I have never heard that Sanford’s “safe space” is a welcome refuge for the (generally reviled) minority of “open” Trump supporters on campus, nor have I heard of “trigger warnings” for depictions of disrespect to the American flag or harm to the unborn."

It seems clear to me this professor believes the institution has a left-leaning bias.

If it's true, it would have to be detrimental in the long run. The institution should be straight down the middle.

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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post #18

I have read probably 4 or 5 of these articles, written by professors/teachers, claiming to have been punished for their speech. 2 common threads about them. The first is that they rarely discuss specifics about what positions or what opinions got them censured. The second is that the comments section is typically full of drive by commenters who aren't responding to the content of the post in particular but to the ide…

In the student letter published to defend him, there's a couple of paragraphs that at least allude to what appears to have been the underlying controversy: https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2018/05/in-defense-of-...

"Because of this, Professor Charney often takes on positions that are not his own in order to illustrate perspectives from across the spectrum. For example, in 2016 during the peak of the Allen building protests, he spent a whole class discussing the motivations and tactics of the protestors and challenging his students to argue cogently in favor of or against the movement. Though in some cases this put the burden on protesters in his class to justify their actions, it also exposed the unsavory and borderline racist opinions of others. His rationale is clear: without confronting new ideas, students go through Duke unchallenged and are unable to evaluate the merits of competing claims.

To be sure, Charney’s courses elicit a discomfort inherent to any situation that requires students to re-evaluate their most deeply held convictions. In presenting differing perspectives on sensitive topics, some are concerned that his class reproduces systems and structures of inequality involving notions of class, privilege and power. The concern here is that, in the name of “diversity of opinion,” the class becomes a staging ground for perspectives that reinforce the negative racial, class, and gender power dynamics that exist in society and on this campus. In recognition of this, he makes sincere and intentional efforts to reach out to students who might feel hurt or offended by the class discussions. In these cases, he seeks to address the offense and listens genuinely to recommended changes to the ways in which he teaches sensitive subject matter."

(While searching for that, I also came across this: https://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2017/04/student-conduc... which is unrelated, but also fairly unflattering.)

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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Who is raising these kids to believe that hearing something they disagree is equivalent to "harm"? It must be my filter bubble, but I only ever hear about people decrying this practice and never anyone supporting it. Where is it coming from?

Did you read the article? From what I understand there’s not enough evidence to make this conclusion.

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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I believe HN has both right and left leaning individuals, but I wonder if most people would condemn the practice of professors being ousted from schools for daring to challenge their students' "safe space" notions and microagressing them? This is not an isolated event and universities skew heavily in one direction politically. Is it universally agreeable that the end of healthy debate in college is a really, really b…

I think there is a large amount of misunderstanding (and misinformation) about what safe spaces and trigger warnings are actually all about. They have also been subject to a certain amount of .. inflation? But the core ideas are important. "Trigger" originally referred specifically to PTSD. There is a small number of students, such as women who have experienced sexual assault, for whom the subject is more than merely…

>> microagressing them

> Somehow I'm reminded of the debate over corporal punishment in schools, where pedagogical effectiveness takes a back seat to more primal ideas about punishment, conformity, and order. People used to be beaten for being left-handed, remember.

Can you provide some context to justify comparing microagressions with beating people with sticks?

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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post #28

More and more this safe space bullshit is infiltrating the former bastions of free-thought. It is a disturbing trend where it no longer matters if someone can convey a counter argument to any given point of view, the mere presence of a point of view contrary to the modern anti-liberal left world view - even if purely rhetorical - breaches the safe space contract and justifies censuring or even punishment. It will onl…

> More and more this safe space bullshit is infiltrating the former bastions of free-thought.

Responding to an article about Duke with this conclusion is rich. Duke is a hyper-wealthy institution that is hardly apolitical. Their neatly-manicured campus right next to impoverished portions of Durham and their decision to destroy a decades-long battle for light-rail by changing their mind last-minute doesn't strike me as an example to hold up for your argument.

Duke isn't some bastion of progressivism - is what I'm trying to say here.

(veered off track a little, but this hits close to home - sorry)

Also, what "safe space bullshit" are you referring to? Seriously, the article is pretty loose with the details.

> It is a disturbing trend where it no longer matters if someone can convey a counter argument to any given point of view

We're not really getting the whole story from the article, but I'm guessing there were some lines crossed. Generally, these sorts of things don't just happen overnight.

> It will only lead to a greater chilling effect ... they are rapidly reaching the point where they only serve to push people towards grossly limited and increasingly dogmatic world views.

This isn't actually happening. I'm sure it seems, logically, that it would happen. But people also have their own minds and make their own decisions. Universities aren't brainwashing anyone - I promise. You dropped Occam's Razor.

> In an increasingly polarised society it terrifies me that both of the the left and the right seem to consider liberty an enemy.

It's not as polarized as the internet and pundits would make it seem. Talking to folks face-to-face, you can find some common ground - even if they're on the opposite end of whatever spectrum.

You seem a bit anxious about this whole ordeal. The world isn't that frightening and people are pretty nice.

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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Welcome to the Heckler's Veto becoming the norm of higher education if not corporate life. This is the method of choice in almost all instances of issues surrounding race, religion, and orientation, now. Look at Intersectionality[1] for clues to why the situation has gotten out of hand. In essence there are so many levels of grievance. In effect, unless you are part of the class of people your right to discuss or rai…

While I agree and sympathize with Professor Charney's on one level, on another the real problem (IMHO) is the lack of legit opportunities in Higher Ed.

In the corporate world people are fired or let go for silly reasons or non-reasons all the time: that's at-will employment. But for people in most fields they just find another job and move on; the problem here is there aren't many opportunities to teach at a prestigious university, at least not at anything resembling a living wage.

Years ago I was working for this one tech company who terminated a guy in his late 50s who'd been there over 30 years. I ran into him crying in the bathroom -- he asked me at his age, what was he going to do?

Two wrongs don't make a right -- but making people unfireable (tenure) doesn't seem fair either.

Hope Professor Charney finds another gig but I don't know if it's the outrage he presents it as here.

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you read the linked docs? They're pretty compelling. You cannot say it doesn't discuss specifics.

No, there is nothing specific in linked docs. It seems administration decided to get rid of him, appointed two faculty members to form committee and didn't followed their own bylaws. The tiny glimpse in the doc is that there were some low student ranking in 2018 and few people had negative experience interacting with him - but nothing specific. As per the doc, no one has made any formal complaints. It's however quite…

What matters is not the correctness of the information but the way people come to believe it.

If you’re some kind of dogmatic zealot who blindly believes scientists (because how could the scientists possibly be wrong), you’re as closed-minded as the deeply religious who cite the Bible as infallible truth

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's people's actual experiences First-hand experience gives you unique perspective that you can share with others, but doesn't make you a final authority on the matter. Once you shared your information with others (and assuming there's no trust issues involved), you're on equal grounds as to what to conclude from it.

1) "assuming there's no trust issues involved" is doing an awful lot of load-bearing there 2) One of the things that people keep starting "free speech controversies" over is the idea that some groups are intrinsically less intelligent or apt than others. When, as a member of such a minority group, you are confronted with this idea, what can you conclude from the suggestion that you are intrinsically less intelligent…

I guess you should take a statistics class before taking this class so that you can understand that people are varied and different and not entirely defined by which groups they fit into.

EDIT: NB In case it is not clear I personally don't think that there are meaningful e.g. IQ differences between the (in my opinion totally arbitrary) groups of humans that people divide other people into where those groups are based on external characteristics.

Re: The End of Being a Duke Professor and What It Means for the Future of Higher Ed

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I share your observations and raise it with another one - has anybody noticed that these sorts of things only happen at elite institutions? I never hear about this sort of thing (about “chilled free speech”) at my alma mater

You didn't follow the Evergreen scandal [1]? Bret Weinstein, who is as progressive as they come, was driven out of the university because he ventured to say that having a day where whites were to be excluded from attending school was a bad idea. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_State_College#2017_p...

I see your point but Evergreen isn't exactly a mainstream institution for this sort of thing.
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