Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is too much friction to build high speed rail in the US due to the democratic process. You have to get everybody along the way to agree which is pretty much impossible as you get to populated areas. In a place with a centralized government system like China, the nice thing is that things get built very quickly, but it sucks for the people who are affected negatively along the way.
Eminent Domain displaces people in the US all the time. When a developer wants a pretty lake by the highway to build a condo complex, guess where the trailer park that was next to the lake goes? Kelo v. City of New London for just one example.
China passenger train hits 300 mph, breaks record
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Ah, they just plan to build the track, not even run trains on it. They're saying they won't run trains until major metro areas are linked. Which makes it even more dubious in my mind.
They're also going to use the track as a local test facility for rolling stock and ancillary equipment. Again, this is stuff that's easier done outside of a major metro area and this link will need to be built anyway. You may as well work out the kinks (and there will be kinks) in a cheap area were you only have to worry about engineering challenges rather than engineering challenges and NIMBY issues.
Looking into it more, it emerges that they have to have an initial route approved in December in order to claim Federal money. So it's a panicked plan.
Re: China passenger train hits 300 mph, breaks record
#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is too much friction to build high speed rail in the US due to the democratic process. You have to get everybody along the way to agree which is pretty much impossible as you get to populated areas. In a place with a centralized government system like China, the nice thing is that things get built very quickly, but it sucks for the people who are affected negatively along the way.
Eminent Domain displaces people in the US all the time. When a developer wants a pretty lake by the highway to build a condo complex, guess where the trailer park that was next to the lake goes? Kelo v. City of New London for just one example.
Not saying it can't be done, but it's a whole lot harder than building a shopping mall, that displaces a handful of houses.
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#15http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1968712
No comments or upvotes on that item, but it is a different source.
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#16This reminds me that California has approved construction of a section of high speed rail too. http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-high-speed-route-201... Hard to evaluate the cost/benefit of high speed rail since the costs are obvious while the benefits are delayed and not as obvious. It would be really cool to get from SF to LA in 2-3 hours though.
SFO -> QLA takes 2 Hours, curb to curb, and costs $50 with pretty much every airline that flies the route. It costs me more for the taxi to get from Redwood City to SFO, than it does for the flight to Los Angeles. It is neither the cost, nor the time that attracts me (neither of which are likely to be that much better on a train), but the possibility of using that 4-5 hours a day productively on a reasonably civilize…
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Eminent Domain displaces people in the US all the time. When a developer wants a pretty lake by the highway to build a condo complex, guess where the trailer park that was next to the lake goes? Kelo v. City of New London for just one example.
Kelo-style eminent domain is uncommon. The idea is that the land is taken for the benefit of the public, and usually that benefit is direct, like a new highway. In Kelo, the public benefit was the jobs and tax revenue from new private development, which is why it went to the Supreme Court.
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