Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not to me. I judge Tesla on the same metrics as any other car company. The Model S is getting long in the tooth.
As long as I can smoke that Maserati at a stoplight on Sand Hill Road, not a problem.
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Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries
#242I wonder why the Model 3 isn't getting the new drivetrain.
The model 3 has the newest drive train the model S and X are getting the model 3 drive train and batteries.
Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries
#243Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'd bet that the TPMS (tire pressure monitor/sensor) in the wheels is an off the shelf component purchased from a top-10 supplier in the automotive industry, and the problem was as simple as not having the TPMS programmed for the car. This is the same problem you can encounter if you replace all four TPMS in most any medium to high end car manufactured after about 2006, and the tire shop forgets to use their handheld…
This sort of complexity is why I like pre smog era cars
I basically aim for just before fly-by-wire became commonplace when considering ICE vehicles. No throttle cable? No way.
Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries
#244Meanwhile the base Model S, for $4k more, has 285 miles of EPA range, and charges faster when below 50%, although not as fast as the e-Tron when above 50%.
The smaller Kia Niro EV (if you can get one, they aren't making many because they can't source the batteries) squeezes 258 miles of range from a 65 kWH battery. Much better, but terribly production constrained. It won What Car of the Year in the UK but they can only deliver 900 to the UK for the whole of 2019. Not sure what the global Kia production rate is, but presumably far far less than Tesla which has sustained 4000+ Model 3's per week since last October (although not yet delivering to the RHD countries like the UK, alas)
Turns out making EVs is harder than everyone thought. We were told the traditional automakers would just wade in and obliterate Tesla, who were just putting 'wheels on batteries'. That hasn't happened.
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#245Earlier quoted context omitted.
2020 is in 8 months. They currently produce about 400k cars per year...
I believe the point was: > self-driving taxis
Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries
#246Question for Tesla owners: Is the recharge time ever a problem? Have you ever felt regret from not being able to just pull up to a gas station, refuel, and be on your way? Part of me drools with child-like giddiness at the prospect of owning one, but part of me hesitates at the thought of taking roadtrips in one.
Question for ICE owners: Is having to regularly visit a fuel station ever a problem? Have you ever felt regret from not being able to wake up every morning with a "full tank" in the car? Point is, it's not a compromise, it's replacing one set of compromises with another. Yes, you are limited to driving for 4-5 hours before taking a 30-45 minute break (assuming your route has fast chargers) but that's fairly consisten…
We just got an EV, and my gf loves this aspect.
She was terrible at remembering to fill gas before coming home, so would very often find herself in a situation where she had to fill up before getting on her way. Quite often this coincided with when she was already running a bit late in the morning, causing a lot of additional stress.
With the EV, plugging it in is a quick and natural part of parking in the garage and so the car is always ready to go in the morning.
Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries
#247Compare to the Audi e-Tron, which has a fairly massive 95kWH battery but only scores 204 miles of EPA range. They claim they're only using 88% of the battery capacity so that charging is faster and battery longevity is preserved, but thats a really weird engineering decision that belies the fact they have made a terribly inefficient (and perhaps rapidly degrading?) battery pack/drivetrain. Meanwhile the base Model S,…
Musk was talking about existing packs lasting 400,000 miles and working on new ones that will do 1 million. You can't get those sort of life spans if you use the full cycle - think how long your phone battery lasts.
Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries
#248This is good. It's Tesla focusing on making better cars. More range is good. Faster charging is good. Those are real things. Yesterday's claims about Tesla operating a million self-driving taxis by 2020 were, well, not taken too seriously. The new stuff is all at the high end, though. The $35,000 Model 3 is still absent from the product line.
2020 is in 8 months. They currently produce about 400k cars per year...
So that factory alone will put ~ 500k Model 3's on the road by the end of 2020.
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#249Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed that producing is tough, but what was said above about it being "vaporware" is complete nonsense though.
Really? Can you show me any video anywhere of someone actually driving a Rivian? They haven't built one yet.
Re: Changes to Models S and X allow them to travel longer without larger batteries
#250Compare to the Audi e-Tron, which has a fairly massive 95kWH battery but only scores 204 miles of EPA range. They claim they're only using 88% of the battery capacity so that charging is faster and battery longevity is preserved, but thats a really weird engineering decision that belies the fact they have made a terribly inefficient (and perhaps rapidly degrading?) battery pack/drivetrain. Meanwhile the base Model S,…
>...88% of the battery capacity...weird engineering decision Musk was talking about existing packs lasting 400,000 miles and working on new ones that will do 1 million. You can't get those sort of life spans if you use the full cycle - think how long your phone battery lasts.
edit: there are recommendations for Tesla daily use that say go to 90% most of the time. But still a bit different to putting 12% completely out of reach like Audi have done.