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Is Amazon Violating U.S. Antitrust Laws?

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Re: Is Amazon Violating U.S. Antitrust Laws?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: > 5 percent profit margin on Amazon’s own retail sales Last I checked, 5 percent margin is still making a profit, and definitely doesn't fit the definition of dumping nor predatory pricing. Part of the theory hinges on this: > However, Sussman asserts in his paper, “Amazon utilizes existing loopholes in Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) disclosure regulations to exclude a significant p…

> The leases don’t show up as expenses in Amazon’s free cash flow calculations, even though the equipment is listed as an asset. Article aside, how does this work?

Let's say you mortgage something, take on $250k in debt. You now have $250k in assets. Net is zero. You don't take away the debt payments from your income, since you received something from taking on the debt, and it becomes a net positive over time.

It works similarly with operating leases. But the actual accounting is a tad more complicated, so here's a link:

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/operatinglease.asp

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>Sellers can use “Fulfillment by Amazon,” so Amazon handles storage and shipping of its products through its vast logistics network. But Amazon also charges for that privilege. We used to call this kind of activity a ‘service’ but apparently it’s now called a ‘privilege’

Right? I wonder if we take storage out of it...

>Sellers can use “Fulfillment by UPS,” so UPS handles shipping of its products through its vast logistics network. But UPS also charges for that privilege.

Spooky!

Re: Is Amazon Violating U.S. Antitrust Laws?

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>Sellers can use “Fulfillment by Amazon,” so Amazon handles storage and shipping of its products through its vast logistics network. But Amazon also charges for that privilege. We used to call this kind of activity a ‘service’ but apparently it’s now called a ‘privilege’

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=%22charge+for+the+privelege%22&ia=...

It's just an expression.

Re: Is Amazon Violating U.S. Antitrust Laws?

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Amazon has a team called "Amazon Profitability Group". I used to work for said team, albeit only briefly. The purpose of the team is to calculate the proper price to sell items for, the "discount" to vendors, and the items to put in the "buy box" in order to make the most profit for Amazon. I think the what is described here in the article is only the tip of the iceberg. Amazon isn't doing something as simplistic as…

I do believe these sorts of "Amazon is amazingly smart" posts.

But they are hard to reconcile with why Amazon keeps showing me a rice cooker ad, after I buy a rice cooker from them.

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Interesting piece from the article: "Sussman points to evidence that Amazon has already flipped the switch, moving from dominating the market by undercutting rivals to reaping the profits from that dominance." So according to Sussman, Amazon is already making money. I wonder what point in time the author thinks Amazon started making money. If the author claims that happened e.g. in 2016, them Amazon was actually losi…

They haven't needed outside capital because Amazon has been generating free cash flow since 2002 or 2003. They were losing money on a GAAP basis because they were investing in capex heavy things like warehouses and data centers.

Looking at Amazon's aggregate financials doesn't tell us anything about whether they're doing something anticompetitive.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems to me that, by this description, Amazon is admirably fulfilling its legal and fiscal duties, and to a greater degree than I thought before receiving this information.

Maybe to the shareholders but definitely not to the consumers or the businesses on the platform.

Maybe to the shareholders

Not to this shareholder.

If Amazon is playing a dangerous game, then it's risking my money, which is not OK.

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Amazon has a team called "Amazon Profitability Group". I used to work for said team, albeit only briefly. The purpose of the team is to calculate the proper price to sell items for, the "discount" to vendors, and the items to put in the "buy box" in order to make the most profit for Amazon. I think the what is described here in the article is only the tip of the iceberg. Amazon isn't doing something as simplistic as…

I do believe these sorts of "Amazon is amazingly smart" posts. But they are hard to reconcile with why Amazon keeps showing me a rice cooker ad, after I buy a rice cooker from them.

Amazon seems to think that I’m a real vacuum aficionado/collector as well.

It’s quite possible that those are still the best items to recommend to us, to mop up any “unhappy with the one they got, so save them with a return/rebuy” sales.

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Amazon has a team called "Amazon Profitability Group". I used to work for said team, albeit only briefly. The purpose of the team is to calculate the proper price to sell items for, the "discount" to vendors, and the items to put in the "buy box" in order to make the most profit for Amazon. I think the what is described here in the article is only the tip of the iceberg. Amazon isn't doing something as simplistic as…

I do believe these sorts of "Amazon is amazingly smart" posts. But they are hard to reconcile with why Amazon keeps showing me a rice cooker ad, after I buy a rice cooker from them.

It doesn't take that many people buying ten (or a thousand) rice cookers for that ad to make sense.

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Interesting piece from the article: "Sussman points to evidence that Amazon has already flipped the switch, moving from dominating the market by undercutting rivals to reaping the profits from that dominance." So according to Sussman, Amazon is already making money. I wonder what point in time the author thinks Amazon started making money. If the author claims that happened e.g. in 2016, them Amazon was actually losi…

They haven't needed outside capital because Amazon has been generating free cash flow since 2002 or 2003. They were losing money on a GAAP basis because they were investing in capex heavy things like warehouses and data centers. Looking at Amazon's aggregate financials doesn't tell us anything about whether they're doing something anticompetitive.

The root of Sussman's claim is that Amazon was hiding some expenses to _pretend_ that they were cash flow positive. (since being cash flow positive strongly suggests that there is no predatory pricing)

However, Sussman asserts in his paper, “Amazon utilizes existing loopholes in Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP) disclosure regulations to exclude a significant portion of its expenses.”

So the author is claiming amazon's _not_ been cash flow positive. If that is the case, then where was the money coming from?

Re: Is Amazon Violating U.S. Antitrust Laws?

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Yes, via vertical integration[1] - this should be obvious to anyone outside of the FTC[2]. [1] For people unaware of Amazon's practice of pushing out middlemen who conduct high volumes of business: http://fortune.com/2016/04/20/amazon-copies-merchants/ [2] People inside of the FTC are almost certainly aware, but happily continue to shove their fingers in their ears and sing "la la la I can't hear you la la la".

But cutting out the middlemen is a good thing, not a bad thing.

It means that less groups take a cut of the profits, and prices.can be reduced because of it.

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