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Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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Re: Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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Someone tell these yahoos that optics is a thing. I expect the next statement to be about transparency and connecting communities. Just like the last one. And the one before.

Facebook is absolutely terrible at optics, and I'd love it if someone with weak enough morals to be involved with the PATRIOT ACT was unable to find work again but... I honestly don't care that much, this is just a drop in the water compared to the revolving doors between the government and defense firms.

Re: Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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Facebook is the defense contractor that is building America's Great Firewall and social credit system, so it makes sense that there is a revolving door with the authoritarian regime.

> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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Facebook's social graph and engagement data combined with data already obtained by governments makes an elaborate social credit score easy to generate. As for the great firewall, Facebook has been in talks with lawmakers who want Facebook to do more to prevent "fake news" which is another way of saying that lawmakers want to use Facebook to control the news narrative. So far, Facebook has been extremely complaint wit…

I’d say it’s the media and general public that want Facebook to curb “fake news”, more so than Washington.

See the tit for tat between Facebook and lawmakers:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/mark-zuckerberg-facebook-made-m...

Zuck is losing on purpose here by admitting they screwed up, so that he can pivot into a negotiating stance to determine what level of control government will get. This is not all decided yet, it is still in play but this hire suggests that some progress was made in the negotiation.

Re: Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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Futility is a terrible reason to stop fighting.

100% but just not using Facebook is not a very effective strategy. And thinking that not using Facebook protects you from Facebook could be dangerous.

Legally, it does. If they use my information in a way that is not allowed, I am not required to use arbitration. I can sue. Users cannot.

Re: Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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Facebook is the defense contractor that is building America's Great Firewall and social credit system, so it makes sense that there is a revolving door with the authoritarian regime.

> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I think that my comment is pretty much the relevant thing to discuss based on the article. If you disagree please explain why.

Re: Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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I for one don't let Facebook use me. This makes little difference to me.

You should look up "shadow profiles". Facebook knows almost everything about you from people you interact with by collecting that data into your shadow profile. Also, regardless of what you do, Facebook (along with other big tech companies, but Facebook in particular) is a menace for society and should be treated as such.

The key to this is that you need to think of your "online identity" as something that is not directly controlled by you, ever. It's like a collection of related "behaviors" and heterogeneous data points on the internet that can be associated together with some amount of confidence that they are all from the same person, through a myriad of tracking processes.

You actually creating an account (username data point), and logging in and using the service (actions) are actually minimally relevant to the process of ad targeting. All they do is slightly bump up that "confidence" score I mentioned earlier, and even then only for that specific set of behaviors/data for that page/service.

Your user accounts are only transient links between sets of behaviors and targeted ads. The actual account is easily replaced by just making it a generic "entity" not related to accounts and then link any accounts that do end up being created to these "higher level" entities that you already have.

For a simple example: "A web client hit our tracking pixel on X service from the same ip address as a hit on our tracking pixel on Y service, so let's assume these two behaviors are the same person for ad targeting purposes, and we'll just use that address as the unique indicator, regardless of any existing (or not) user accounts on either service. If we get a user signup action that originates from the same address, then we can link in the specific service account/username to our existing tracking entity for this person."

Re: Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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for facebook optics is not a thing. they know they have a stranglehold on people addicted to their products, and advertisers who pay through the nose to sell things to those addicts. Honestly, why bother with optics? No one's going to like the company ever again except their employees, but no business or politician or organization is going to not take facebook's call.

^ this HN reader has it right. And we'll see the extent of that truth tomorrow when FB announces their earnings. Most of the problems in the world can be solved with robust revenue growth. It's only when you're on the decline that "optics" begin to matter, and FB is most certainly not in decline, at least outside the HN bubble.

I disagree strongly with this, if FB manages to continue pissing off politicians they'll get the full unjust wrath of the US government turned on them for petty reasons. Just a little while ago Zuckerberg got schooled on why he should've been paying a lot more money to lobbyists.

Re: Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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^ this HN reader has it right. And we'll see the extent of that truth tomorrow when FB announces their earnings. Most of the problems in the world can be solved with robust revenue growth. It's only when you're on the decline that "optics" begin to matter, and FB is most certainly not in decline, at least outside the HN bubble.

I disagree strongly with this, if FB manages to continue pissing off politicians they'll get the full unjust wrath of the US government turned on them for petty reasons. Just a little while ago Zuckerberg got schooled on why he should've been paying a lot more money to lobbyists.

But that's not the "optics" you're likely to see. Those kinds of things only come to light much later, and FB has historically shown itself to be very amenable to such backroom deals: https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/facebook-data-...

Re: Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I think that my comment is pretty much the relevant thing to discuss based on the article. If you disagree please explain why.

1) Asserting the presence of an "American Great Firewall"

2) Asserting the development of an American "social credit system"

3) Describing America's political atmosphere as an "authoritarian regime"

4) Describing Facebook as a "defense contractor"

Come on, you know what you're doing

Re: Facebook taps lawyer who helped write Patriot Act as new general counsel

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I dont consider Facebook inherently evil and even their more recents f-ups around user privacy and security I had attributed to incompetence of the employees (anyone working at a large co would know - this is all very common).

But when they hire people like this, I dont know how to excuse them anymore...

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