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Amazon Quits China Market

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Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by tracker1 »

cthalupa wrote: post #101
zzh8829 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having lived in both China and US/Canada, I would say jd and taobao is far ahead of American Amazon. Some key differentiators include delivery speed, UI/UX, product offerings and the ability to chat with merchants instantly.

Amazon has same day delivery and prime now in a lot of the US - I can get the same order before 10 get before 18 from Amazon in my town. I don't have a ton of experience with UI/UX on JD or TMall, but my experience with alibaba and aliexpress hasn't left me particularly impressed there. But I also have no problem with Amazon's interface and experience in general, which I know lots of people don't like. Product offeri…

What you are talking about is a US experience... it's not like that in China from Amazon. They haven't built out locally, and have neglected to acknowledge local competition and invest in local infrastructure properly.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by ETHisso2017 »

manigandham wrote: post #136
mtw wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. I don't know about this. Starbucks, McDonalds, KFC, Boeing, Apple and many others are ahead of their Chinese peers in China. It sounds like you're just using a blanket statement from reading various online articles without even how it's out there.

I've been there, worked with people there, have friends there building businesses for decades. Have you been out there? Companies are allowed to operate and grow, but they are tightly controlled. Apple has strong competition and has already trimmed prices and revenue targets. China just purchased 300 planes from Airbus instead of Boeing. McDonalds sold off 80% of its China operations to a Chinese stated-owned company…

>Apple has strong competition and has already trimmed prices and revenue targets.

How is that the government's fault?

>China just purchased 300 planes from Airbus instead of Boeing.

Airbus is European

>McDonalds sold off 80% of its China operations to a Chinese stated-owned company years ago because it had trouble adapting its menu.

Again why is McDs inability to serve the Chinese palate the fault of the government? Consumer tastes in food are far more determined by culture than government.

The rest of your statement is a non sequitur and strawman.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by tekkk »

manigandham wrote: post #124

This has nothing to do with communications or product development. China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. That's how the government works. And yes the article is bullshit because this same government won't allow any negative press about their actions either. These Pandaily journalists will have a very hard time if they actually wrote about the real environment there.

While the evidence in this case seems to be against this statement (Amazon indeed offered worse service than competitors) I think it is otherwise valid. Chinese are really driven to become the world's superpower number 1 and give no quarter to Western companies trying to establish themselves in China.

So the big dilemma is, do we let them? Or more precisely, do we as the outside world let Chinese stifle all the foreign companies in their own market while their own companies operate freely in those foreign countries? It smells really a lot of mercantilism, and the Chinese culture of copy-catting freely doesn't help. It seems like the Western countries in particular have become too soft for Chinese tactics, and are too afraid to act against China. This at least has been my perception.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by matz1 »

manigandham wrote: post #136
mtw wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. I don't know about this. Starbucks, McDonalds, KFC, Boeing, Apple and many others are ahead of their Chinese peers in China. It sounds like you're just using a blanket statement from reading various online articles without even how it's out there.

I've been there, worked with people there, have friends there building businesses for decades. Have you been out there? Companies are allowed to operate and grow, but they are tightly controlled. Apple has strong competition and has already trimmed prices and revenue targets. China just purchased 300 planes from Airbus instead of Boeing. McDonalds sold off 80% of its China operations to a Chinese stated-owned company…

So then what other US company such as KFC, Starbucks, Coach, Tiffany & Co., Estée Lauder and Michael Kors do differently so they allowed to compete and enjoy success in china ?

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by munk-a »

hartator wrote: post #158
1986 wrote: post #156

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Amazon didn't pay those taxes, purchasers did.

In theory. Also, purchasers can be seen as paying profit taxes as well.

The theoretical response of Supply & Demand curves to taxes that we learned in macro don't hold as instantaneous or ever fully realized in the real world. Humans simply aren't rational actors.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by SamReidHughes »

mtw wrote: post #133
manigandham wrote: post #124

This has nothing to do with communications or product development. China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. That's how the government works. And yes the article is bullshit because this same government won't allow any negative press about their actions either. These Pandaily journalists will have a very hard time if they actually wrote about the real environment there.

> China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. I don't know about this. Starbucks, McDonalds, KFC, Boeing, Apple and many others are ahead of their Chinese peers in China. It sounds like you're just using a blanket statement from reading various online articles without even how it's out there.

Restaurants are not strategically important, and believe me, China would be very happy to have more home-grown airplane manufacturing expertise, but right now it makes sense for that talent to be directed towards the war industry.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by matz1 »

product50 wrote: post #51
paganel wrote: post #45

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> Amazon has literally won everywhere else in the world I've mentioned it in another comment, too, but Amazon is not present in my Eastern European country (Romania), where Alibaba beats them by a large margin (even though they're also not officially launched here). I've just done a quick search and it seems Amazon is not winning it in Russia either, nor in Ukraine, to say nothing of India. As such, to say that they…

Dude do some research. They are winning or close to winning in India, South East Asia, Western Europe, Australia, US, Dubai etc.

> South East Asia ?

Where ? Certainly not in Indonesia, the largest population in south east asia. Nor in singapore, malaysia or philippines.

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by CriticalCathed »

tekkk wrote: post #164
manigandham wrote: post #124

This has nothing to do with communications or product development. China will not let a non-Chinese company ever gain top position in any sector. That's how the government works. And yes the article is bullshit because this same government won't allow any negative press about their actions either. These Pandaily journalists will have a very hard time if they actually wrote about the real environment there.

While the evidence in this case seems to be against this statement (Amazon indeed offered worse service than competitors) I think it is otherwise valid. Chinese are really driven to become the world's superpower number 1 and give no quarter to Western companies trying to establish themselves in China. So the big dilemma is, do we let them? Or more precisely, do we as the outside world let Chinese stifle all the forei…

Act how? What precisely could be done outside of protectionist policies that seem to be regarded as outmoded, inefficient, and taboo.

Are we going to war? Isolationism? React in kind? Simply wait?

Re: Amazon Quits China Market

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Post by [deleted] »

munk-a wrote: post #166
hartator wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In theory. Also, purchasers can be seen as paying profit taxes as well.

The theoretical response of Supply & Demand curves to taxes that we learned in macro don't hold as instantaneous or ever fully realized in the real world. Humans simply aren't rational actors.

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