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Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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Post by navigatesol »

DeonPenny wrote: post #72
dforrestwilson wrote: post #15

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Hmmm so then why is Tesla ranked last for autonomous driving by third party researchers? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiR... And Elon has a long history of making false claims about Tesla’s progress. For example in 2015 and 2016 he claimed that Teslas would be fully self-driving by 2018. So why shouldn’t we be skeptical? https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/03/teslas-self-driving-str...

But Navigant curriculum was very unscientific. There no actual quantitive reason Tesla is worse. Is was based mainly on business factors like go-to market strategy and vision.

As opposed to the "scientific", "quantitative" reasoning behind Tesla being the leaders in FSD?

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Post by plttn »

gambiting wrote: post #154
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #94

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> I'm specifically talking about the fact that the base model 3 ships with heated seats out of the factory but you can pay to have them unlocked with a software update. If you think this is a new thing, you haven't followed the car industry much. Just as an example, my 2002 el cheapo Peugot was bought without the option to show instantaneous MPG/average MPG/range/etc. Spend two hours soldering/gluing on the missing $…

I can sort of understand the software differentiation - I have no issue with Windows Home and Pro editions having different price points even thought the code on the disc is identical for instance(maybe that's hypocritical of me?). But I do have an issue with paying for hardware(heated seats in this case) and that hardware being disabled until a payment is made. I don't know, it just feels different.

You're putting the cart before the horse on the heated seat argument though. It's cheaper to have one factory line for the seats. Ideally you would pay the same price for the car without heated seats whether or not the hardware was physically there.

It's the same thing they ran into with the software locked batteries. The goal is to have minimal overhead to try to drive costs down on Model 3, and making the SR just a software limited version of SR+ actually ends up pushing the overall cost down, rather than having to set up an entirely different line that does the cloth seats and the aluminum roof.

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Post by navigatesol »

DeonPenny wrote: post #76
stefan_ wrote: post #26

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Don't kid yourself, the car has no bandwidth storage or performance to send back anything other than a few raw frames from disengage events or other rare triggers.

Why would you say that? The car has LTE and connects to WIFI. It could easily send way more data than any care company at any time including over WIFI.

>It could easily send way more data than any care company at any time including over WIFI.

Except that it isn't, and even Karpathy said the quantity doesn't matter, it's the data quality.

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Post by personlurking »

sharadov wrote: post #203

You cannot access the stream from Tesla anymore, I found it here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbgtGQIygZQ Karpathy did a great job explaining this, I took Neural Networks a long time back and his back to basics approach refreshed a lot of concepts I'd forgotten!

It's no longer in that link. I found it here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbgtGQIygZQ

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Post by grey-area »

cr0sh wrote: post #198
DeonPenny wrote: post #80

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Because lidar is expensive, error-prone, and can't be created without flaws. So if you make a car LIdar will fail way before camera. The only problem is if camera only can work

All sensors and the systems they operate with have flaws. There is no way around this - it's just the real world. Even cameras will have flaws, or they can develop them over time (lens degradation, image sensor dropping pixels or gaining stuck pixels, etc). That is point behind what is known as "probabilistic robotics" - the real world has noise, and you need to be able to deal with it. Don't expect perfect sensors,…

Cost is also a significant consideration on mass market cars.

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Post by navigatesol »

kitsunesoba wrote: post #106
gambiting wrote: post #75

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And I don't want them to succeed because they are actively hostile towards 3rd party repairs and car modifications, plus their current model 3 microtransaction bullshit scares me as a customer, I'm dreading the moment other companies catch on with that. I'm specifically talking about the fact that the base model 3 ships with heated seats out of the factory but you can pay to have them unlocked with a software update.…

Personally speaking I would not want to share a road with an autonomous car that had been tinkered on by some random Joe. Autonomous farm vehicles or something, sure, but public roads are way too risky. This is not the desktop environment of your Linux laptop, it’s monstrously complex software controlling thousands of pounds of metal and batteries.

>Autonomous farm vehicles or something, sure

I knew I'd find someone here who hates when John Deere locks down their vehicles, but is fine when Elon Musk does.

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