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Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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Well they’re vastly ahead in one area: data collection. No other company is even close. You could argue about the quality of data but the platform is there and ever growing, and they can upgrade their hardware in the future and augment existing data.

how can you claim that? more than waymo? that would be extremely doubtful. google has been driving around cars with sensors and cameras for over a decade.

They have a fleet of hundreds of thousands of cars driving real-world miles all over the developed world.

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While you're waiting for the main event to start, here are some recent interviews with Elon about self-driving cars. He's very confident. "To me right now, this seems 'game, set, and match,'" Musk said. "I could be wrong, but it appears to be the case that Tesla is vastly ahead of everyone." I am eager to see what they unveil today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEv99vxKjVI https://ark-invest.com/research/podcast/e…

Hmmm so then why is Tesla ranked last for autonomous driving by third party researchers? https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiR... And Elon has a long history of making false claims about Tesla’s progress. For example in 2015 and 2016 he claimed that Teslas would be fully self-driving by 2018. So why shouldn’t we be skeptical? https://arstechnica.com/cars/2019/03/teslas-self-driving-str...

But Navigant curriculum was very unscientific. There no actual quantitive reason Tesla is worse. Is was based mainly on business factors like go-to market strategy and vision.

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“Anyone using Lidar is doomed” Strong words from Musk about sticking with video only. Later on in the software talk: “Lidar is really a shortcut which sidesteps the fundamental problems...and gives us a false sense of progress”

I wonder if he's going to explain this position at all? Or if it's just posturing against Waymo et al. Seems like more data is always better than less data for this application?

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

#74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well they’re vastly ahead in one area: data collection. No other company is even close. You could argue about the quality of data but the platform is there and ever growing, and they can upgrade their hardware in the future and augment existing data.

how can you claim that? more than waymo? that would be extremely doubtful. google has been driving around cars with sensors and cameras for over a decade.

But they don't have the cars. Every car on the road that is a tesla sends back data.

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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I really really don't want Tesla to die. I think it's an important company for a sustainable future. Failures in autonomous driving could easily turn into the straw that breaks the camels back. If you call something "autopilot" and promote it as if it will drive for you and then it ends up killing dozens of people ... that's where successful class actions come from. (I obviously don't want people to die either.)

And I don't want them to succeed because they are actively hostile towards 3rd party repairs and car modifications, plus their current model 3 microtransaction bullshit scares me as a customer, I'm dreading the moment other companies catch on with that. I'm specifically talking about the fact that the base model 3 ships with heated seats out of the factory but you can pay to have them unlocked with a software update. I suspect that having them enabled with a simple software mod would get you accused of piracy since you're using something you haven't paid a licence for(even though you've obviously paid for the hardware)

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Well they’re vastly ahead in one area: data collection. No other company is even close. You could argue about the quality of data but the platform is there and ever growing, and they can upgrade their hardware in the future and augment existing data.

Don't kid yourself, the car has no bandwidth storage or performance to send back anything other than a few raw frames from disengage events or other rare triggers.

Why would you say that? The car has LTE and connects to WIFI. It could easily send way more data than any care company at any time including over WIFI.

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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“Anyone using Lidar is doomed” Strong words from Musk about sticking with video only. Later on in the software talk: “Lidar is really a shortcut which sidesteps the fundamental problems...and gives us a false sense of progress”

I wonder if he's going to explain this position at all? Or if it's just posturing against Waymo et al. Seems like more data is always better than less data for this application?

>I wonder if he's going to explain this position at all?

Doubt it.

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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To summarize, it appears that their new chips can do 96x96 dot product in a single cycle (multiplying neural network weights by values), and have hardware for activations (ReLU, softmax, tanh) and pooling (as in convolutional neural networks). This results in a crazy 144 trillions ops/second. How does this compare to TPUs and the Neural Engine in iPhone CPUs?

something I don't understand, is this chip brand new? is it essential to the autonomous drive?

Chip is new and is needed for autonomous driving

Re: Tesla Live Stream – Autonomy Day [video]

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“Anyone using Lidar is doomed” Strong words from Musk about sticking with video only. Later on in the software talk: “Lidar is really a shortcut which sidesteps the fundamental problems...and gives us a false sense of progress”

I wonder if he's going to explain this position at all? Or if it's just posturing against Waymo et al. Seems like more data is always better than less data for this application?

Because lidar is expensive, error-prone, and can't be created without flaws. So if you make a car LIdar will fail way before camera. The only problem is if camera only can work
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