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Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

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Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

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I got stuck at "Developers can read our docs and use our API to locate or even unlock a car’s doors with just a few lines of code"

But you can understand the outrage: now two sets of developers can do this.

I'm still getting over the fact I upgraded the radio on my car back in 2010 with a USB stick and using the driver's side door to control the process. I think a well-documented API that shows exactly how my car is vulnerable is a step up.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#52

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Rocket does the exact same thing. Almost pixel perfect clones

Who is Rocket? Could you give us a link, please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Internet

https://www.rocket-internet.com/

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

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So they have the intellectual property of some random CSS tables that everyone have on their website and a GET parameter of an URL ? Wow

Are you being deliberately obtuse? It's the contents of the tables that have been ripped off.

Its OAuth documentation - its a very well described standard protocol. Most of the OAuth documentation looks and reads exactly like this. The only "smoking gun" is the "random" value used for the state parameter, which seems to be copied over - and developers copy other products/sites documentation ALL THE TIME.

While there is substance in the post that some other company is building the same product, saying that its literally cloning it and using documentation similarity for a standardized protocol is not really cutting it.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#54
So they built a new product to a competitor's API spec? There is nothing wrong with that, the API itself is a plug - you need to implement the backend to compete.

It is super lame and dumb to have ripped off their doc, but the API format itself is not an issue to me. If I were going to implement a competitor to Google Maps, it would make sense to copy the Maps API so people can migrate seamlessly. That is the nature of SaaS.

The core value proposition is not in API design, it's in the implementation.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Rocket does the exact same thing. Almost pixel perfect clones

Who is Rocket? Could you give us a link, please?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Internet

They did a 1:1 facebook clone for example.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#56

I thought we all decided APIs shouldn't/couldn't be copyrighted because that was evil when Oracle and Microsoft tried to do it? I guess literally copy-pasting the docs is a flagrant violation, but it seems like that's the least of their problems. Presumably BigCorp will now get a cleanroom team to re-document the re-implemented API.

Its not even their proprietary API, its OAuth endpoints.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#58

This is a great opportunity for Bessemer, and the other investors, to demonstrate that it isn't returns above all. Updated to include my tweet: https://twitter.com/MattHurewitz/status/1120356791932604421?...

What else is it for a VC? Isn’t that literally their purpose?

Every business has an obligation to make money. However, the VC game has been filled with a win at all cost mentality that has led to the downfall of many companies - as well as evidence that the companies themselves are not prepare to become public (they aren't worthy of the public trust).

One could argue that the market is okay with these types of things. But, we talk about doing the right thing. And if it's not just lip service, this could be a great opportunity to prove it.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#59

Holy crap. The only way forward for Bessemer et al. VCs is to immediately withdraw their funding for this “company” and cut all ties in order to prove that they had no forewarning that this is how their money was being used. There are so few actors this visibly bad that if they didn’t do anything they would become “that guy” everybody avoids, in both the deals and funding space, when orgs do their due diligence. So t…

Bessemer & Co. would not spend this kind of money without doing DD to the point where their competitive review would have snagged the OP's efforts. So most likely they know.

Sounds like VCs need a plagiarism detector for websites (think TurnItIn) to make sure their portfolio companies aren't blatant ripoffs.
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