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Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

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There are zero material consequences for a well-funded startup to pull shenanigans like this. Why should we be surprised this is happening?

Yes except if you are a well funded startup and look like amateurs that copy things verbatim that does not bode well for your reputation going forward. Someone needs to get fired for copying shit verbatim.

They'll fire a couple people and everyone will forget in six months. That does nothing to discourage this type of behavior moving forward.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#32

Could there possibly be reasonable explanation for this? With big name investors involved it's likely that respectable and legitimate reporters wouldn't be interested in digging up the truth.

That seems totally backwards to me. Did you mean "unlikely"? The higher profile the investors, the bigger the news story if something dodgy's happening.

In either case, how does that relate to the existence of a reasonable explanation?

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

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I expected this to be a " I had the idea first" post. But it is actually a copyright infringement post AND makes the offending company look like a bunch of hacks. If they don't have the engineering chops to build an API how are going to handle the ops of it.

So they have the intellectual property of some random CSS tables that everyone have on their website and a GET parameter of an URL ? Wow

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#34
Holy crap. The only way forward for Bessemer et al. VCs is to immediately withdraw their funding for this “company” and cut all ties in order to prove that they had no forewarning that this is how their money was being used. There are so few actors this visibly bad that if they didn’t do anything they would become “that guy” everybody avoids, in both the deals and funding space, when orgs do their due diligence.

So they could choose to not do anything, which means the only companies approaching them in the future are the desperate ones, and they lose the capital anyways to the markets due to a shoddy portfolio.

Don’t knife your intangibles.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

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I am sorry to hear that but it is does not really surprise me. I bet they will just rewrite their docs a little bit and then go on with their business.

Amazing that they have 55M$ in funding and still hire a bunch of amateurs. I bet the design for their docs is based on some free online template too because it looks very cheap.

I wish you all luck!

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

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post #33

I expected this to be a " I had the idea first" post. But it is actually a copyright infringement post AND makes the offending company look like a bunch of hacks. If they don't have the engineering chops to build an API how are going to handle the ops of it.

So they have the intellectual property of some random CSS tables that everyone have on their website and a GET parameter of an URL ? Wow

Are you being deliberately obtuse? It's the contents of the tables that have been ripped off.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#39
post #16

I thought we all decided APIs shouldn't/couldn't be copyrighted because that was evil when Oracle and Microsoft tried to do it? I guess literally copy-pasting the docs is a flagrant violation, but it seems like that's the least of their problems. Presumably BigCorp will now get a cleanroom team to re-document the re-implemented API.

Ya, I find it even more interesting that they copied the Smartcars API. In theory, if you copy an API, you also copy its semantics. The docs for it are supposed to be interchangeable. Its touchy. For example, wouldn't most people rely and use the Java doc even for Android? Now obviously, redistributing a copyrighted doc on their own website without permission is something else. Cause I'm guessing docs are copyrightab…

They could just say "Our API is identical to the Smartcars API, documentation can be found here (link)". Smartcars might even be happy about that as it's free advertising.

The way they did it looks much shadier, but I doubt it's actually illegal. The longer text blocks are all original, even if clearly inspired by smartcars. The descriptions of paramters is mostly copied verbatim, but I have my doubts it's copyrightable, after all there are only so many ways to describe what "access_token" does. The overall structure of the documentation is also clearly copied and is probably protected by copyright, but it's easily changed.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Came to say just this. They say "illegally cloning our product", but I see nothing illegal so far and I'd love to be corrected. I doubt it is so, but even if those tokens pass the threshold of originality[0], does a few blobs of superficial text justify a lawsuit? Things would be dramatically different if they'd copied source code, but so far, it's just documentation. [0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_of_o…

Directly copying a document is simple copyright infringement. Just because it's documentation doesn't mean everyone has a free license to copy and redistribute it. Whether or not any violations occurred in copying code probably depends on whether any employees with company secrets were poached and involved in development. That's a very big, well known no-no amongst tech companies. It's why Compaq had a complete "clea…

Couldn't they have written exactly the same things, taking inspiration ?
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