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Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#11

There are zero material consequences for a well-funded startup to pull shenanigans like this. Why should we be surprised this is happening?

Yes except if you are a well funded startup and look like amateurs that copy things verbatim that does not bode well for your reputation going forward. Someone needs to get fired for copying shit verbatim.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#16

I thought we all decided APIs shouldn't/couldn't be copyrighted because that was evil when Oracle and Microsoft tried to do it? I guess literally copy-pasting the docs is a flagrant violation, but it seems like that's the least of their problems. Presumably BigCorp will now get a cleanroom team to re-document the re-implemented API.

Ya, I find it even more interesting that they copied the Smartcars API.

In theory, if you copy an API, you also copy its semantics. The docs for it are supposed to be interchangeable. Its touchy. For example, wouldn't most people rely and use the Java doc even for Android?

Now obviously, redistributing a copyrighted doc on their own website without permission is something else. Cause I'm guessing docs are copyrightable, but not APIs. The whole thing is getting more interesting to be honest.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#18
I don't have a problem with copying another API for compatibility; Think of the Oracle/Google lawsuit, and the fact that reverse engineering for compatibility is already a protected right.

I do have major issues with verbatim copying of documents and websites, there's an obvious copyright violation there.

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#19

This is a great opportunity for Bessemer, and the other investors, to demonstrate that it isn't returns above all. Updated to include my tweet: https://twitter.com/MattHurewitz/status/1120356791932604421?...

What else is it for a VC? Isn’t that literally their purpose?

Re: Otonomo, with nearly $55M in funding, is cloning our product

#20

I thought we all decided APIs shouldn't/couldn't be copyrighted because that was evil when Oracle and Microsoft tried to do it? I guess literally copy-pasting the docs is a flagrant violation, but it seems like that's the least of their problems. Presumably BigCorp will now get a cleanroom team to re-document the re-implemented API.

Came to say just this. They say "illegally cloning our product", but I see nothing illegal so far and I'd love to be corrected.

I doubt it is so, but even if those tokens pass the threshold of originality[0], does a few blobs of superficial text justify a lawsuit?

Things would be dramatically different if they'd copied source code, but so far, it's just documentation.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Threshold_of_originality

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