In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing • Hacker News Board

Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing

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Post by droithomme » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:46 AM UTC

Lazare wrote: post #13

droithomme wrote: post #11

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> I also see worse images of greater desperation coming from Los Angeles, San Francisco I...don't really think you do, no.

By your snipping Puerto Rico, I presume you agree with that one.

Let us move then to LA.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/Typhus-Epidemic-Wor...

https://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-homeless-toilet...

http://time.com/3681883/los-angeles-homeless-camps/

San Francisco:

https://www.bizjournals.com/sanfrancisco/news/2018/02/20/san...

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/alexnitzberg/2018/02/21/cesspo...

Re: In Venezuela, life has gone from bad to worse. And the world has quit noticing

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Post by whatshisface » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:47 AM UTC

jmpman wrote: post #12

Unfortunately, the population accepted a gun ban back in 2012.

There is a lot more that the population accepted, it's not just the gun ban. Venezuela is the right-winger's nightmare scenario, basically where politicians got elected on left wing promises and then switched to being completely corrupt. The gun ban is just one element of their total coverage of every single American right wing fear. Honestly at this point the biggest reason why someone in America might oppose government situations like universal healthcare is out of the reasonable fear that they will be administrated corruptly to the point where they're worse than nothing.

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Post by astazangasta » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:47 AM UTC

googlemike wrote: post #10

SampleBourgeois wrote: post #4

Life in Venezuela would improve dramatically if the US quit diverting all money going in and out of the country.

How is it that, no matter what, people will always find a way to blame the US? I think in this case, the country just ran itself to the ground.

We sponsored an attempted coup in 2002 and spent the next two decades trying to undermine their government, complete with sanctions. Read something.

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Post by drb91 » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:48 AM UTC

The world could always halt sanctions: the source of the problems.

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Post by AnthonyWnC » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:48 AM UTC

googlemike wrote: post #10

SampleBourgeois wrote: post #4

Life in Venezuela would improve dramatically if the US quit diverting all money going in and out of the country.

How is it that, no matter what, people will always find a way to blame the US? I think in this case, the country just ran itself to the ground.

Even if the US sanctions did not primarily caused the crisis in Venezuela; their sanctions certain add more oil to the fire.

Ref. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/08/world/americas/venezuela-... https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/02/sanctions-venezuela-i...

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Post by droithomme » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:48 AM UTC

steve19 wrote: post #17

droithomme wrote: post #11

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You can't have seen much of the world. I have not seen Venezuela first hand, but I have seen many, many places a lot worse than LA, SF and Puerto Rico.

> I have seen many, many places a lot worse

Where did I mention the rest of the world? I am comparing the suffering of people in Venezuela to the suffering of people in a number of parts of the US.

> You can't have seen much of the world.

I am positive I have traveled to and lived in far more countries than you have, so do not assume anything about what I have seen. It's true that I have not seen "much" of the totality of the world, no one has. But I have seen a great deal more of it first hand than anyone I have met.

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Post by tlrobinson » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:48 AM UTC

> If there is power, and I can do my job, I’ve been told by my bosses to be more measured in how I cover what’s happening in Venezuela. They’re terrified of being shut down by the government and having their equipment confiscated. That would spell the end of our station.

Maybe writing a (non-anonymous) article about the situation for the LA Times isn't the best idea?

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Post by steve19 » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:48 AM UTC

mdgrech23 wrote: post #16

lifehacked wrote: post #2

How do their "leaders" still have their heads?

It's not always that easy. Look at what's going on in the US right now for example...

The US political situation is not even remotely comparable, ignoring the plundering of the economy by the government and military, in 2020 or by 2024 at the latest, the US WILL have a different president. Absolutely and without a shadow of a doubt.

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Post by CryptoPunk » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:49 AM UTC

seibelj wrote: post #14

When they have power, Bitcoin has been a solution for wealth preservation and capital movement given their pariah status with western banks and the never ending destruction of their currency. When the dust clears and capitalism is restored, there will be a fascinating case study on this development.

Hopefully when Bitcoin-Core transaction fees reach $30 again like they did in December 2017, the common Venezuelan people will be able to afford the $60 overhead ($30 opening fee and $30 reserve needed to close the channel in case of counterparty fraud) to open a Lightning Network channel, or simply switch to a more scalable cryptocurrency.

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Post by boomboomsubban » Mon, Apr 22, 2019, 2:49 AM UTC

googlemike wrote: post #10

SampleBourgeois wrote: post #4

Life in Venezuela would improve dramatically if the US quit diverting all money going in and out of the country.

How is it that, no matter what, people will always find a way to blame the US? I think in this case, the country just ran itself to the ground.

Though the US is not the sole cause of many problems, they certainly go out of their way to make many of them worse. In Venezuela, they've placed crippling sanctions on the country for years, and promoted political instability by openly backing numerous coups.