CIA Offers Proof Huawei Has Been Funded by China's Military and Intelligence

Post by dba7dba » Sun, Apr 21, 2019, 3:38 AM UTC

CyanBird wrote: post #9

ellius wrote: post #7

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There's a weird moral element to these discussions though. Lots of people think this is "wrong," or that the CIA is accusing the Chinese intelligence services of doing something wrong, whereas other people admit that all countries play the game and simply are showing this as a legitimate threat. That confusion between morality and cold threat analysis confounds a lot of national security discussions.

> simply are showing this as a legitimate threat The issue is with the perspective, China is certainty a "legitimate threat" to the US, at least from a technological perspective, the problem is that China IS NOT a threat to the rest of the world or at least not in the same degree it is to the hegemonic power of the US, meanwhile the US indeed IS a technological and military threat to countries around the globe, so wh…

Post by secfirstmd » Sun, Apr 21, 2019, 4:41 AM UTC

ianai wrote: post #12

codewiz wrote: post #8

Couldn't Huawei debunk the allegations of having backdoors by just releasing all source code of its 5G equipment, along with a verifiable build? It wouldn't even have to be licensed as open source, just available for security reviews. The CIA could still claim that Huawei is hiding backdoors in microcode, or even in the ethernet connectors, but it would greatly weaken their credibility.

That only works if they’re not putting back doors into their hardware.

Post by everybodyknows » Sun, Apr 21, 2019, 5:29 AM UTC

dba7dba wrote: post #11

CyanBird wrote: post #9

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> simply are showing this as a legitimate threat The issue is with the perspective, China is certainty a "legitimate threat" to the US, at least from a technological perspective, the problem is that China IS NOT a threat to the rest of the world or at least not in the same degree it is to the hegemonic power of the US, meanwhile the US indeed IS a technological and military threat to countries around the globe, so wh…

China had not set up military bases around the world in the past because they "did NOT have" the ability to do so. Now that the nation has the fund, they are certainly starting to do so. The Chinese army set up a major base in Djibouti in the Horn of Africa just a few years ago. It is the PLAN's first overseas military base and was built at a cost of US$590 million. I'm sure it won't be the last. If China can do what…

Post by Teever » Sun, Apr 21, 2019, 7:01 AM UTC

zaro wrote: post #16

dba7dba wrote: post #11

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China had not set up military bases around the world in the past because they "did NOT have" the ability to do so. Now that the nation has the fund, they are certainly starting to do so. The Chinese army set up a major base in Djibouti in the Horn of Africa just a few years ago. It is the PLAN's first overseas military base and was built at a cost of US$590 million. I'm sure it won't be the last. If China can do what…

> If China can do what US can, they will do it. To think otherwise would just be naive. Thats a bit of overstatement don't you think. Its very different culture after all, and you are speculating based only from the American exceptionalasim viewpoint which I think is very very outdated.

Post by ycombonator » Sun, Apr 21, 2019, 7:54 AM UTC