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Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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js2 wrote: post #75
DarwinMailApp wrote: post #17

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No no anything that's not completely obvious to everyone who visits needs to be changed. Thank you for your feedback. I've thought about what you said (albeit very quickly) and made changes to the homepage https://www.darwinmail.app/index.php The homepage subtitle: "Your Google Inbox replacement: reach new levels of productivity." And a below the hero image: "An evolutionary way to work with your emails." - I think I…

Something like: Darwin Mail: Gmail Evolved Darwin Mail is a better interface to the gmail account you already have: - Restores Google Inbox features - .... Aside, do you need to add any trademark notices?

I like it! How about: "Enhance Gmail to get your Google Inbox features back. Productivity awaits!". This was suggested by another user :)

Do you mean trademark notices with Google?

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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bayindirh wrote: post #98
DarwinMailApp wrote: post #2

Hello HN I’m Joey, the maker of Darwin Mail. — Darwin Mail aims to help you be your most productive when dealing with emails & todos. Problem Inbox by Google was one of the best products they ever made. And then they shut it down. Solution Introducing Darwin Mail, which aims to replace and become better than Google Inbox ever was. Features - Snoozing, Reminders, Dark Mode, Undo Send, Custom Backgrounds, Templates, &…

First of all congratulations. It looks like a nice app and productivity booster for GMail. I just wanted to point that e-mail undo is present is in standard GMail. The feature started as a lab feature and added into standard muster of features sometimes later. This makes selling e-mail undo in the professional plan a bit of a contradiction IMHO. Other than that, everything looks good, congrats again. :)

You are completely right! I should have thought of that! I will move the undo sending of emails to the free plan :)

Thank you so much for the positive vibes :)

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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jlelse wrote: post #108

My privacy is important, that's why I'm not using Gmail. Great that you take privacy serious, but building a service that only works with Gmail doesn't really help with privacy.

Thank you for your feedback!

Some of our features such as templates, dark mode, custom backgrounds are built on top of DarwinMail - and do not interact with Google or Gmails APIs whatsoever.

Most of DarwinMail works via the Gmail API, but not all :)

Edit: And the majority of the feature requests on this thread will not interact with Gmail either once they are created. So Google cannot track as much usage statistics as they would have otherwise.

Google cannot demand I give them any of this information. To be honest, I will not even have most of it. It will all happen on your browser.

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by jszymborski »

dgudkov wrote: post #74

>We take your privacy seriously. I'm sure you do, but please please please -- don't use this cliché. It's superficial and off-putting. Better explain specifically what you do for it. And then let us decide if you take our privacy seriously or not.

Related to this question: Does Darwin block remote images from loading automatically? I find this is increasingly hard to find (Geary Mail comes to mind) and it's surprising to me.

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by giancarlostoro »

DarwinMailApp wrote: post #110
giancarlostoro wrote: post #106

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Pro Monthly and Pro Annually might make more sense or Pro Yearly or whatever.

Ahh yes, of course! Thanks

No problem, sometimes the best way to market something is to be explicit about meaning instead of trying to sound fancy and cool. Great web page and product otherwise btw! I hope you can gain enough traction to invest in more than just gmail.

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by teleclimber »

DarwinMailApp wrote: post #95
teleclimber wrote: post #73

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Yes, if you make it Open Source and possible to self-host it goes from DOA to definitely possible. Would have to explore more, like how it's written, the community around it, etc... before I really commit. Hopefully you can still make a living. I suspect "open source + commercially hosted" is a good model for something like this?

I see the merits of open sourcing DarwinMail. It would open up the platform to develop on it from people all over the world. They would fix bugs for themselves and others and perhaps write mini-features. However, if I open source this code, I may never be able to make any profit on this tool I have spent so much time building :( How will I be able to pay my bills?

> How will I be able to pay my bills?

That's why I mentioned the OSS + hosted version. It would allow to be more open while still making money on the hosted version. Those who are very concerned about privacy can self-host, and those who think self-hosting is too hard (that's many people) can pay to use your hosted version.

See Ghost as a success story that works that way:

https://blog.ghost.org/5/

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by teleclimber »

1123581321 wrote: post #93
teleclimber wrote: post #73

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Yes, if you make it Open Source and possible to self-host it goes from DOA to definitely possible. Would have to explore more, like how it's written, the community around it, etc... before I really commit. Hopefully you can still make a living. I suspect "open source + commercially hosted" is a good model for something like this?

You are asking him to do a ton of work and commit to never charging you for anything on the off chance that you might condescend to use his software. It seems like it would be easier for you to just not evaluate new mail clients.

I'm just suggesting that a service that touches email would benefit from being easier to trust. I never said he should commit to never making money or anything close to that. Like you literally invented that.

In fact I suggested he look into the open source + hosted business model. Ghost seems to be doing alright with it:

https://blog.ghost.org/5/

> It seems like it would be easier for you to just not evaluate new mail clients.

There are plenty of OSS mail clients. I was just looking at RoundCube the other day. It's actually pretty slick as far as traditional email clients go.

https://roundcube.net/

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by DarwinMailApp »

jszymborski wrote: post #114
dgudkov wrote: post #74

>We take your privacy seriously. I'm sure you do, but please please please -- don't use this cliché. It's superficial and off-putting. Better explain specifically what you do for it. And then let us decide if you take our privacy seriously or not.

Related to this question: Does Darwin block remote images from loading automatically? I find this is increasingly hard to find (Geary Mail comes to mind) and it's surprising to me.

Thank you for your question :)

We block any and all code scripts/styles from executing outside of emails.

We don't block images though - if we did then the emails you could usually receive with images will feel plain.. won't it? If I understand you correctly?

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Post by DarwinMailApp »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #115
DarwinMailApp wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ahh yes, of course! Thanks

No problem, sometimes the best way to market something is to be explicit about meaning instead of trying to sound fancy and cool. Great web page and product otherwise btw! I hope you can gain enough traction to invest in more than just gmail.

KISS - Keep It Simple Stupid

One of my favourite's :D

I'll keep that in mind when editing the copy in future!

Thank you so much for the positive vibes! I really appreciate it :)

In the near future I hope to support Outlook, and after then, who knows!

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