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Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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How many emails clients do you know that don’t need access to your mail?

Does that matter? Why would you give, instead of just Google, two companies access to your emails?

Well, 2+N companies depending on what servers the people you correspond with use. That's the nature of a federated protocol.

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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It still reads like it’s a Google/Gmail replacement, and not an add-on/enhancement. I’m not sure what the right words are, but it definitely needs to be clearer that it enhances Gmail, not replaces it. “Your Google Inbox replacement: Enhancing Gmail to reach new levels of productivity.” or something like that?

I love this idea. Thank you. Words do fail us sometimes. However, I do like what you're saying. The subtitle should be clearer. I will think about it, to try and come up with the best description I can - I'm open to more suggestions though! Thank you again for yours.

Enhance Gmail to get your Google Inbox features back. Productivity awaits!

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Hello HN I’m Joey, the maker of Darwin Mail. — Darwin Mail aims to help you be your most productive when dealing with emails & todos. Problem Inbox by Google was one of the best products they ever made. And then they shut it down. Solution Introducing Darwin Mail, which aims to replace and become better than Google Inbox ever was. Features - Snoozing, Reminders, Dark Mode, Undo Send, Custom Backgrounds, Templates, &…

This is great—as an Inbox user I see a lot of potential here. Quick thoughts:

- Any support you can give to existing plugins that support Google would be great. Much as I like the fact that templates are built into this, I really love the plugin Gorgias Templates, for example (partly due to the fact those plugins can be used anywhere), and having it available would be awesome.

- I'd love it to be possible that there was no background at all, or at least something flat.

- Would like to be able to set a different default font in the compose menu. Sans-serif is fine, I just want it to be able to decide on Helvetica or Courier New.

- Any ability to change the keyboard shortcuts would be great. The fact that they're not the same as Inbox/Gmail makes it hard to immediately jump in and use.

I'm sure I'll have more, but I just wanted to tell you this really makes me happy to see!

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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I tried to test it, but I literally don't feel comfortable giving somebody full access to my email. I don't know your practices, security protocols, etc. I'd feel way more comfortable if this would be an app or a browser add-on that would handle everything locally, without sharing the access token with your servers.

Part 3: How does DarwimMail actually work? So what happens exactly is: The user logs into DarwinMail.app, DarwinMail makes a login request to Google's servers, Google logs the user in, DarwinMail asks for the users emails at which point this data is rendered in the user's browser. None of this email data is stored on DarwinMail's servers. There is no need! Think of all the space it would take up and the time that wou…

Is your product open source? Because for this kind of thing it's really hard to trust unless it's open and self-hostable.

Even if you say you don't need to store emails, there is still a chance of leaks via logging systems or simply programmer errors, or some caching layer. It's likely your security protocols aren't as robust as Google's. (You mention "https" as the primary reason this is secure. Much wow.)

Given the importance of email there is no way I could trust another closed system with my email. I'm sorry if that sounds harsh, I also want to see alternative email frontends because gmail isn't cutting it.

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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I love this idea. Thank you. Words do fail us sometimes. However, I do like what you're saying. The subtitle should be clearer. I will think about it, to try and come up with the best description I can - I'm open to more suggestions though! Thank you again for yours.

Enhance Gmail to get your Google Inbox features back. Productivity awaits!

Now that is really really good :)

I'm not going to forget this description.

It's so catchy!

I've updated the homepage! https://www.darwinmail.app

Thank you, sir!

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Hello HN I’m Joey, the maker of Darwin Mail. — Darwin Mail aims to help you be your most productive when dealing with emails & todos. Problem Inbox by Google was one of the best products they ever made. And then they shut it down. Solution Introducing Darwin Mail, which aims to replace and become better than Google Inbox ever was. Features - Snoozing, Reminders, Dark Mode, Undo Send, Custom Backgrounds, Templates, &…

This is great—as an Inbox user I see a lot of potential here. Quick thoughts: - Any support you can give to existing plugins that support Google would be great. Much as I like the fact that templates are built into this, I really love the plugin Gorgias Templates, for example (partly due to the fact those plugins can be used anywhere), and having it available would be awesome. - I'd love it to be possible that there…

First off thank you soo so much for your amazing feedback! Secondly, WOW. Supporting plugins is such a spectacular idea! It would open up a world of possibilities! Would they be Chrome plugins or plugins for things like Salesforce, Teamwork, GitHub, Slack etc?

I will add in something to remove the background entirely and also allow selection of a flat/gradient/colour asap.

Custom fonts/keyboard shortcuts are such fantastic ideas too man!

My God you are a treasure trove. Godspeed!

PS: If you add your suggestions to our feature requests board it will ensure they are created quickly as others will be able to upvote on ideas! https://www.darwinmail.app/feedback.php

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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1. I understand that the product can only become great if each & every suggestion is listened to, so thank you! 2. DarwinMail has a public roadmap, public changelog, and open lines of communication. 3. The primary focus of Darwin Mail is to help you be productive. Each and every change is made for that sole reason. They're 3 reasons why I believe DarwinMail is worth the try! Also, bundles are definitely on the todo l…

> I understand that the product can only become great if each & every suggestion is listened to I've actually heard strong arguments for the opposite. Your vision is what counts. People often don't know what they want until you show them.

That's a fair point. I thought of that too when posting.

I believe you need to consider both angles: - How to build a product people love based on what they want - How to build a product that is sustainable & interesting based on what you think should be built

It's a difficult thing to get right. I'm definitely going to try.

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Part 3: How does DarwimMail actually work? So what happens exactly is: The user logs into DarwinMail.app, DarwinMail makes a login request to Google's servers, Google logs the user in, DarwinMail asks for the users emails at which point this data is rendered in the user's browser. None of this email data is stored on DarwinMail's servers. There is no need! Think of all the space it would take up and the time that wou…

Is your product open source? Because for this kind of thing it's really hard to trust unless it's open and self-hostable. Even if you say you don't need to store emails, there is still a chance of leaks via logging systems or simply programmer errors, or some caching layer. It's likely your security protocols aren't as robust as Google's. (You mention "https" as the primary reason this is secure. Much wow.) Given the…

It's not open source at the moment no.

You make a very good point, and I see where you are coming from.

I personally have a hard time trusting other products with my data too. That's why I'm trying to be as transparent as possible with DarwinMail.

If I were to make the product open source, would you consider using it then?

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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post #36

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Does that matter? Why would you give, instead of just Google, two companies access to your emails?

Well, 2+N companies depending on what servers the people you correspond with use. That's the nature of a federated protocol.

Ha ha. Very clever spin, and it's the truth!

Re: Show HN: I Built Darwin Mail as a Google Inbox Replacement

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Quick bug report for you. If you have a category name with a '/' in it, jquery errors out due to $('#sideBar #' + prettyLabelName) having a / in it, which makes it think it's a selector. If you change all instances of $('#sideBar #' + prettyLabelName) to $('#sideBar #' + $.escapeSelector(prettyLabelName)), it should rectify that. As it stands now, if you have a category with a / in it the site is unusable; and the sa…

Thank you so so much for your suggestion! I also love that you were straight in with the exact fix! Thanks, Sarge! PS: I've made that change and it's live on https://www.darwinmail.app (threadAPI & labelsAPI) ;) If you have any more, let me know!

Sure thing.

Here's some more:

You can open any number of the menu options and the previous ones don't close. https://i.imgur.com/NxKVk6W.png

Additionally, there doesn't appear to be an exit icon on any of them, though escape works.

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Accessing my spam folder freezes the app and results in the following stack trace: https://i.imgur.com/HkNbH67.png

The message in the thread in question doesn't have a from attribute.

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Finally, using ctrl+c (to copy) in an email you're composing will open a new composition window. Might be best to disable that in an active text input or if text is selected.

Edit: Also, a 'mark all as done' button like Inbox had would be greatly appreciated.

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